Covid Mk ll

**Tote** · 31st August 2021, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

The "magic 70 per cent and 80 per cent" is looking less magic everyday and more like the vague fantasy it always was. …When are we going to see some public health honesty? No other state is going to open to NSW unless 80%+ vaccine equity across all ages is real in every LGA. Christmas is just another romantic spin tactic. For the record, I don’t think Santa is sucked in either.

NSW records 1,164 COVID-19 cases as Premier makes plea for Christmas re-opening - ABC News

At the end of the day I find it difficult to care whether other states open to NSW or not. It doesn't really matter at this point in time so why worry. NSW hospitalisations will drop as more people get vaccinated, this is a fact and you only have to look how the rest of the world is opening up to see the proof. If the premiers of states that have zero covid do not wish to open up their borders people will still travel to NSW to go overseas. Those premiers will have a difficult decision to make at some point in time to open their borders or face unpopularity in the polls as people look to the open states and their ability to travel overseas if not to Australia.
Of course there will be a number of people for whom overseas travel is not important and they will support the closed states.

The reality is that NSW (and probably Victoria and the ACT) only have one way out of lockdown and that is to vaccinate as many people as quickly as they can, so from that perspective the die is cast and no amount of blamestorming will take those states back to covid zero.

There is an irony that if the limo driver didn't contract covid then Australia would probably be wringing its hands on how to engage with the rest of the world just as the hermit states are now. we would probably also be languishing at 30% vaccination rates because "it wouldn't be a race"

Regards,
Tote

**SpudHeadTed** · 31st August 2021, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar;[URL="tel:3106586"

3106586[/URL]]A democracy is all about telling the great unwashed only what they need to know and nothing more - that’s the way it’s always been and will always be. Not sure why you’re so surprised about this?

There’s a great documentary series from the 80’s on how it all works - ‘Yes Minister’…

‘Yes Minister’ is a parody of a failed democracy.

I’m not surprised, just constantly disappointed by our failed democracy at the hands of real life charlatans.

What I am surprised by is how gullible so many are.

Here’s another example off spin induced gullibility,

“Three years ago, the government promised to plant a billion trees over a decade. It's achieved less than 1 per cent of that goal”:

Plan to plant a billion trees yet to take root three years after target set - ABC News

…but climate change is even more difficult than vaccinations for most because it’s further from immediate self-interest. Yet what most are wilfully blind to is that it’s human impact on the environment that caused Covid19 in the first place.

But it’s picnics for 5 people and Xmas lunch that most see as the priority.

Another thread required me thinks.

**ChookD2** · 31st August 2021, 10:06 PM

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**Eevo** · 31st August 2021, 10:34 PM

**Saitch** · 1st September 2021, 07:01 AM

Agree.
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**windsock** · 1st September 2021, 07:13 AM

NZ reached a milestone of sorts last night in our action against the bug from the travel bubble...

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Covid 19 coronavirus delta outbreak: Aucklanders able to shop at level 3 from businesses south of the city - NZ Herald

**Homestar** · 1st September 2021, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

‘Yes Minister’ is a parody of a failed democracy.

I’m not surprised, just constantly disappointed by our failed democracy at the hands of real life charlatans.

What I am surprised by is how gullible so many are.

Here’s another example off spin induced gullibility,

“Three years ago, the government promised to plant a billion trees over a decade. It's achieved less than 1 per cent of that goal”:

Plan to plant a billion trees yet to take root three years after target set - ABC News

…but climate change is even more difficult than vaccinations for most because it’s further from immediate self-interest. Yet what most are wilfully blind to is that it’s human impact on the environment that caused Covid19 in the first place.

But it’s picnics for 5 people and Xmas lunch that most see as the priority.

Another thread required me thinks.

You should vote for someone different then, run for you local government, etc - ****ing and moaning about it here won’t fix anything. You shouldn’t be constantly pushing your political agenda in the general forums either.

DiscoMick · 1st September 2021, 08:10 AM

We know there have been cases where people have caused exposure sites while travelling but they are counted in the numbers for their home location, so Goulburn wouldn't be a surprise. It's happened repeatedly on the NSW North Coast involving people from Sydney. That's why Qld is monitoring northern NSW sewage results so closely.

I think there is a good chance other states will still have Sydney locked out at Christmas, but cases will have subsided in regional NSW, so border bubbles will return.

Qld Health is vaxing NSW people in the west already, trying to make the border safer.
If the Tweed and Byron stay clear, they could be reincluded in the Qld border bubble.

I can't see other states re-opening to Sydney by Christmas if it is still reporting any more than about 100 cases a day. Why would those states choose to deliberately import the virus? That would cause uproar among their own citizens, who are currently feeling safe.

It's no wonder so many thousands of southerners are uprooting and moving to safety in Qld, causing a pandemic-induced property boom.

This story seems like a good summary of what's really going on in national Cabinet.

Australia’s Covid reopening: are our leaders really at war and can they reach consensus? | Australian politics | The Guardian

**SpudHeadTed** · 1st September 2021, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Homestar;[URL="tel:3106648"

3106648[/URL]]You should vote for someone different then, run for you local government, etc - ****ing and moaning about it here won’t fix anything. You shouldn’t be constantly pushing your political agenda in the general forums either.

Right so the moderator makes it personal now.

How is your comment above any less political than mine? How are my views any more political than anyone else in this thread? How would you know who I vote for and what has that got to do with a perfectly reasonable critique of the current situation we are all facing?

As a I’ve said before this thread is not political, it has nothing to do with party politics. I would be critiquing any government of the day that was performing so poorly in a public health crisis.

You’ve made your views perfectly clear. My perspective is equally valid.

Why don’t you just disagree? I disagree with you.

DiscoMick · 1st September 2021, 09:42 AM

Interesting how some (not all) southerners whinge when states which have sacrificed to be Covid-free celebrate by offering to host sports which can't be held down south because of lockdowns, like the AFL Grand Final in WA or NRL in Qld, rather then seeing those sports have to shut down completely. Some people just seem like bad sports, I think. Would they rather the competitions just stop?

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