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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    So you still do the services and repairs on your children's cars? what happens if and when they move away for work or LUUURVE?
    of course, they are university students with even less money than me. They both work part time as well, but there is no way they could afford to buy and run a car.


    BTW my Jazz is a manual Vti and my 79 year old wife drives it daily. But jeez it is a pain if we ever go to Sydney traffic in it. Kids in general do not care about cars in the same way as we did And I tolerated a lot of faults with my European cars that would not be tolerated today.( Renault 12, Renault 16TS, BMW1600, Austin A90, Austin A95, Hillman Imp GT, VW 1600 Slowback, Austin 1800,1981 Rangie, 1977 Rangie,1991 Rangie, 2002 D2, BMW E36 M3. Rear main seal leak? as long as it doesn't befoul the driveway let it go, but not today. The body corporate would have a fit. Renault 16TS rear main seal, collapsed front suspension arms, Renault 12 collapsed front spring plus rear main seal, shredded interior from sun.
    Sounds like your talking very old cars here. Our family owned a series of R10's, R12,s R16s .... the damn things just keep going. I've never heard of any renault ever having "collapsed suspension". If I went and dragged a renault 12 out of a paddock, I bet the springs would still be fine and the original shockers would still be functional ( poogoe and renaults had extremely high quality springs and shockers). Rear mains is also pretty much unheard of. Infact, I've never heard of these going in Renaults. Come to think of it though, a smart person replaces the rear main when they do the clutch. My first car was a Renault 12 I purchased for $500 with a dead clutch. When I was 17 years old I just craweled under it, dropped the box, changed the clutch and rear main .... and it was good for a few years until someone run up the back of it. I've also never heard of a R16 doing a rear main. Its an all aluminium engine. So long as you ran a quality coolant they just went forever. The gearbox is infront of the engine like a Citroen DS. so the rear main is actually at the front of the motor.

    You sound like somoene who's experiance is taking cars to specialist and using a cheque book to solve all the cars issues (which is fine ... ).

    I love European cars and worked my dream job as Planning and Distribution Manager for BMW Australia and then Motorcycle Marketing Manager but IMHO they lost the edge over Japanese and Korean years ago. My all time favourite was a test drive in an Alfasud. What a Go Kart. But would I buy one? never.
    I don't rule out any car, I just look at them and pick the most reliable version of the car I want. That is why I don't own a modern Citroen, I don't want a 1.6 bmw/citroen/poogoe motor ... or a V6 diesel ford/poogoe/citroen motor..... or a car that runs a wet cambelt.

    In contrast even an old FJ 40 was flawless except for rust, my 1988 Nissan Patrol was flawless, even a Nissan Sunny 1400 I owned in Saudi was flawless. 3 Honda Jazz mainly flawless but had to do clutch in one due to being owned by Chef with big boots. Arguably the car my son got his son to buy, a Lexus LS400, is the best car ever made.
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    Yes, the old FJ40s and patrols are pretty much legendary. the patrol is pretty much a light truck sold as a 4wd (just look under one). and it drove as such. The crusier is very similar ot a land rover series vehicle. I fully believe the lexus is probably one of the most reliable cars you could find.

    All of this is ancient history though. Cars made in the last 10years is what I'm looking at... and there is just nothing appealing there. talk about generic blobs. and some very unreliable generic blobs at that.

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    16s were notorious for bending the lower control arms if taken on dirt roads. because the suspension was so supple that when it hit the bump stop damage was done. similar to an R series BMW bike. I recall on a press test finding a bent front wheel on one of the bikes after a bit of quick dirt road.
    Ha I bet I have done more on Rangies and Discos than most including fitting fuel injection to the 77, modifying and fitting a Thor manifold to the 91 Rangie, porting the heads of the 91, adding a centre diff lock to a 2002 Disco in situ( try that one for degree of difficulty) Fitting Quaife Torque sensing front diff to 91, rebuilding the diff of the 77 etc. as well as all servicing and the occasional head gasket.
    But the central argument still holds. Buy your descendants a reliable trouble free proven car like a Camry . I know when my daughter was broke at one stage I bought her a Camry wagon with 340KK on it and it went for 3 years or so with minimal problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    16s were notorious for bending the lower control arms if taken on dirt roads. because the suspension was so supple that when it hit the bump stop damage was done. similar to an R series BMW bike. I recall on a press test finding a bent front wheel on one of the bikes after a bit of quick dirt road.
    Ha I bet I have done more on Rangies and Discos than most including fitting fuel injection to the 77, modifying and fitting a Thor manifold to the 91 Rangie, porting the heads of the 91, adding a centre diff lock to a 2002 Disco in situ( try that one for degree of difficulty) Fitting Quaife Torque sensing front diff to 91, rebuilding the diff of the 77 etc. as well as all servicing and the occasional head gasket.
    But the central argument still holds. Buy your descendants a reliable trouble free proven car like a Camry . I know when my daughter was broke at one stage I bought her a Camry wagon with 340KK on it and it went for 3 years or so with minimal problems.
    Regards PhilipA
    I've never heard that one about Renault 16s ... I'll ask my grandfather, he's a mechanic that owned lots of them new ... and was a mechanic ( 98 years old ). If you mean rally cars ... well yeah, they brace them up. The works R12 gordinis had seem welded bodies. I know somoene that owned one for years. It was a huge handful, a real screamer that had to be kept on the boil.

    That's like saying Citroen CX's broke there gearboxes offroad. One of the few mods they did to them for offroad rallys was to retain mechanically the left hand front driveshaft. Otherwise when airborne it was possible to pop the retaining snap ring on the left had driveshaft, then when the car landed, it would slam the driveshaft into the gearbox. This has never happened that I have ever heard to any other car other than rally cars.

    I coudl never imagine a universe where I'd drive a camry. Has every other interesting car in the world been vaporised ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Um ... Ok.

    My eldest daughter is driving a 2005 Citroen C2. (so 20 years old). Its only needed tyres and oil changes. Let me think. I did put the strut bushes in the front a couple of years back ($90aud and a couple of hours work).

    The youngest daughter is driving a 2007 poogoe 407 6spd manual. We have owned this car for 13years and put over 250,000kms on it. The only non-service type item it has ever had is a flywheel at 80,000kms (all cars back then with dual mass flywheels seemed to fail). Its still running fine today. getting quite battered. I'd jump into it and drive it to perth tomorrow if I needed to without hesitation. This was my wifes car and was moved onto the youngest daugther last year.

    My wife is driving a 2011 Poogoe RCZ (so 14 years old). I'll have too see when this thread has started, its been what ... 2 ... maybe 3 years. The car has needed a thrust bearing and normal servicing (The risks of buying a used car, a previous owner had cooked the grease out of the thrust bearing). I'd drive it to perth tomorrow without a seconds hesitation.

    Now lets see, my cars. I've owned a range rover classic for over 10 years. Actually, I've done a bit of work to this car. It bent a conrod when the fuel pressure regulator died and filled No8 cylinder with fuel.... I killed the transfer case/gearbox output shaft by running really thick gearbox oil in the transfer case that didn't have a cross drilled input shaft. Its guzzled endless amounts of LPG and done everything I've ever asked of it.

    I've owned a citroen cx for 20 ... no maybe 25 years. Not just a locally sold one, a personal import that was never sold in Australia. Other than numerous hours over the years chasing electrical gremlins (salted roads and wiring system don't live well together). the thing just goes. I've towed caravans all over Australia with it, towed car trailer ... travelled ... The poor thing has been run on the tightest shoe string budget imaginable. I could get up from this chair right now, walk over to the car, hook up the battery terminal and drive it without a seconds hesitation.

    Now, not only is it a 40 year old car, it was a demonstrator when sold new (CNAN number plates in the UK). This means the high performance petrol turbocharged car was a dealer demonstrator when new. Every single test pilot would have beaten the thing mercilessly. At 40 years of age, its never had the engine touched, doesn't burn or use a drip of oil between oil changes, never had the gearbox touched, never had the turbo installation touched (bullet proof old garret.... could do with a new core now doubt as it will be down on boost). The suspension has normal service items. ie: ball joints, bushes and spheres as needed. I drove this as a daily car with 3 young children on a single very average wage. That is how little it has cost me.

    Other cars ... I have two 1963 Citroen ID19s. They haven't done a lot of milage over the last few years, but they just go. Normal servicing work is about it. They are mechanicaly incredibly tough.

    Um, a 1950 Citroen Traction Avant. Its done next to no milage, so I can't comment on running costs... But its fun to tinker with.


    Cars are expensive because people pay tremendous amounts of money paying someone to service them, I don't do this.

    So if I got something like a Jaguar X type or Chrysler 300 .... How much do you think I'd be spending .... Hmmmm... My only concern is the huge bills slugomatic gearboxes can send my way

    My wife has her small fun car, so I'm thinking some modern luxo-barge type vehicle .... you know, similar to a Citroen Ds or Citroen CX ... but made this century that she would be confident to drive wihtout fear of breaking down.

    If you want to talk expensive..... ludicrously, insanely expensive motoring. Lets look at the electric throw-aways. Man the money they will cost is just mind boggling. Guess how much I've lost on the cars I've owned (especially if you include servicing costs) versus a throw-away every few years.

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    I know you don't want an auto, but if you want a luxo barge you can't got past a Lexus GS300 straight 6, Toyota 2JZ motor, supremely comfortable and excellent build quality, getting long in the tooth and the only big problem I have heard about is the ABS module. If you hunt around you can get the Toyota Aristo JDM version with twin turbo.
    Even the later V6 is very good just not the beautiful straight 6. They can be had quite cheap and will **** all over a Chrysler 300.
    I've done a track day in one and it was very capable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geedublya View Post
    I know you don't want an auto, but if you want a luxo barge you can't got past a Lexus GS300 straight 6, Toyota 2JZ motor, supremely comfortable and excellent build quality, getting long in the tooth and the only big problem I have heard about is the ABS module. If you hunt around you can get the Toyota Aristo JDM version with twin turbo.
    Even the later V6 is very good just not the beautiful straight 6. They can be had quite cheap and will **** all over a Chrysler 300.
    I've done a track day in one and it was very capable.
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    this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
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    this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it

    I wonder if these are your typical crappy modern car with a a crashy ride and crappy giant sized clown wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
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    this one? shame it looks even more tedioiusly boring to look at than a camry If I parked that in the local coles carpark, I'd probably have to wait until the store shut and the carpark emptied to find it
    That's a LS460 it's the S class mercedes competitor.

    This is an Aristo same body as an early GS300. Here is a later GS300 you can also get them as a GS430 with a V8 or as a Hybrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geedublya View Post
    That's a LS460 it's the S class mercedes competitor.

    This is an Aristo same body as an early GS300. Here is a later GS300 you can also get them as a GS430 with a V8 or as a Hybrid.
    Big comfy sedan ... that is exactly the sort of thing I'm after. I'm thinking old, but low milage. Any automatic with 250,000 +++ kms on it is going to need a gearbox rebuild in the near future. If it was a proper gearbox, its a no brainer .... Hmmmmm I'm glad this is in NSW so I'm not tempted to go take it for a drive

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    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I :burnrubber:
    '63 ID19 x 2 :wheelchair:
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas
    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual :zzz:
    '11 Poogoe RCZ HDI 6spd manual

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    look how low milage this range rover is ....

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    I wonder what they are like to drive ..... looks lke something I could easily tidy up. I htink that will be the bmw v8 (I've never driven one).
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    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual :zzz:
    '11 Poogoe RCZ HDI 6spd manual

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