Thread: Now Toyotagate

Sounds a bit as if they did!

Perhaps worth also looking at the refrigerator and freezer manufacturers who have followed a similar path to meet power consumption standards and labelling.

Over here they have TV ads advising to "leave diesel behind" and go to their "green" electric vehicles for a "better future."

Originally Posted by spudfan

Over here they have TV ads advising to "leave diesel behind" and go to their "green" electric vehicles for a "better future."

There's one born every minute. I did the sums the other day because some self-righteous **** on another forum was boasting about the "consumption" of his Tesla. It worked out roughly 70g of coal per KM. By rough calcs my D3 does about 78g of Diesel per KM. Now Diesel holds roughly twice the energy per g, but then it also doesn't have the benefit of scale for thermodynamic efficiency. In theory if he charged his Tesla from a big Diesel plant it'd be even more efficient!

Originally Posted by BradC

There's one born every minute. I did the sums the other day because some self-righteous **** on another forum was boasting about the "consumption" of his Tesla. It worked out roughly 70g of coal per KM. By rough calcs my D3 does about 78g of Diesel per KM. Now Diesel holds roughly twice the energy per g, but then it also doesn't have the benefit of scale for thermodynamic efficiency. In theory if he charged his Tesla from a big Diesel plant it'd be even more efficient!

IIRC the only place/s an ICE car is marginally cleaner than coal is in eastern Europe using brown coal and no renewables on the grid, although that might've been petrol vs coal. Also no one uses diesel for base load power generation unless they absolutely have to, think islands, mine sites, etc, as diesel is less efficient, peak lopping for quick response and when the power price is high is a different story. In Aus and most parts of the world there are already renewables on the grid and it is only going to increase, so electric cars are just going to become cleaner. As far as I know it is nearly always better for emissions to replace a fossil fuel car with an electric one, and this is even more valid if it is an older car. I know not everyone can do as it depends on usage, so unless they install EV chargers along the Canning Stock Route, Simpson Desert Crossing, etc, we will just have to hold on to our ICE vehicles.

How the power is generated is a big part of the picture. German government study found that with their current generation mix a diesel was greener than an electric

Originally Posted by 3toes

How the power is generated is a big part of the picture. German government study found that with their current generation mix a diesel was greener than an electric

Thats it, they are pushing for more EV's with no thought on how we are going to charge them or the environmental cost to do so - green my arse.

Originally Posted by 3toes

How the power is generated is a big part of the picture. German government study found that with their current generation mix a diesel was greener than an electric

At the risk of turning to CA topic- Germany shutting more than 10% of its C02 free Nuclear power off last year (2021) and just delaying shutting down the other 10% of its best C02 free Nuclear power until mid 2023 only and Rip down some Wind power to dig up more coal and .......... is the perfect example of what 'Not' to do. All 6 nuclear plants could work for 80 years or more! The 6 German nuclear plants are some of the youngest and safest in the world! (Nuclear was >21% of German power 10 years ago)

Back to toyo gate- I was driving behind a diesel toyos last night and again this morning- Black smoke was billowing from both every time they took of from traffic light stops. They had windows up very quickly in my car.

The Smoke screen both put out rivaled HMAS Vampire blowing soot! Nice informed people tell me diesels driving short distances all the time never get hot enough for the Pollution control parts to work seeing a significant amount of expensive repairs and faults.
(that was relating to Landrovers)

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Report smoky cars and vehicles


You can report a smoky vehicle to EPA. It must be less than 4.5 tonnes and release smoke for 10 seconds or more.

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I could report. Should I is the question? I like my lungs

I could report. Should I is the question? I like my lungs

Absolutely, the health of our planet should be put above all else, you are an advocate of corona lock downs and mandated vaccines to protect individuals yet ask that question when it comes to the future of mankind.