Manual lover wins the auto/manual fight...(rant posting)

**VladTepes** · 9th October 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by JDNSW

...Ford Freestyle....has a continuously variable belt drive transmission, with a multiplate friction clutch. Both are controlled by the ECM and the driver has no control over gearing except for forward and reverse and indirectly by rate of change of throttle opening and the throttle opening itself.

John

CVT = "driving for dummies"

(no offence to your sis-inlaw)

**JDNSW** · 9th October 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by VladTepes

CVT = "driving for dummies"

(no offence to your sis-inlaw)

She can drive a manual but prefers not to. My brother and their daughter both drive Manual VWs.

John

**moose** · 9th October 2006, 04:05 PM

My 2 cents...

Auto's are for people who have to drive.

Manual's are for people who like to drive.

Manual for me thanks

**maggsie** · 9th October 2006, 04:15 PM

I was originally intending to buy a manual disco as I prefer manuals, however, I am certainly not disappointed with the auto!
Maggsie

**dungarover** · 9th October 2006, 05:01 PM

Like I've always said, I drive an auto mainly because I'm a lazy bastard and why change gears if you have an option for it to be done for you

Nothing worse than being stuck in traffic with a manual. I've had a couple of manual rangies in the past and didn't think about getting an auto but drove one and thought this is bloody alright, so I bought one a few weekas later and traded in my manual Rangie. Never looked back. I push my Rangie to the limits off-road most times and haven't had any massive auto issues nor minor ones at that.

I'm not interested in scientific crap or theory bull****, if it works I'm happy.

Trav

**Relay** · 9th October 2006, 05:06 PM

Heh. I learnt to drive in an auto. I'd rather be driving a manual. Perhaps my Learners 50 hours had an adverse affect on my mental health.

Side note: Ron, where are you...is that supposed to be affect or effect?! GAH!

**Pedro_The_Swift** · 9th October 2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by moose

My 2 cents...

Auto's are for people who have to drive.

Manual's are for people who like to drive.

Manual for me thanks

If I have to drive---
"D" will do nicely,,

or

"D" "S"
if you prefer,,

**D110V8D** · 9th October 2006, 05:51 PM

I learnt to drive in a manual and have always prefered manuals.

My first auto was/is the Pig. When I'm stuck up a track like Ellis and it's ****ing down and there's rocks and ruts and all the rest I'll take the auto anyday of the week. So much smoother to drive through that kind of stuff.

If I'm just touring and farting around the country I'd prefer a manual.

**roly** · 9th October 2006, 08:50 PM

Here's my 2 bobs worth--It is a personal choice [keeping the missus in mind] I guess cost,reliability,maintainance are on par.On road the auto is great especialy with the modern diesels,however off road I've had trouble getting used to the auto--limited engine breaking [hence HDC] and not knowing if the wheels are spinning or the tranny is slipping--Yes manual off road for me.----Roly

**Bigbjorn** · 9th October 2006, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by JDNSW

No question whatsoever about this - but very few if any are fully automatic, although torque converters and powershifts are everywhere. And fleet owners everywhere have long since decided that automatics are cheaper to run in cars - but I'm not sure that cheaper = better.

Two interesting points - I was in the USA recently, and did a bit of city bus travel - while most of these are automatic or powershift, I did see a couple of manuals, rather surprisingly in that country. Also of interest is the new (last month) Ford Freestyle my sister-in-law has just got in Houston. It has a continuously variable belt drive transmission, with a multiplate friction clutch. Both are controlled by the ECM and the driver has no control over gearing except for forward and reverse and indirectly by rate of change of throttle opening and the throttle opening itself.
John

John, the big mining trucks, except the electric drives, are mostly Allison autos. and have been for more than thirty years.A few other brands are used but Allison generally has the business. Powershift are usually used in earthmovers in cyclic service ( forward/reverse cycles) like loaders, dozers, graders, rollers. Motor scrapers may have either but if being used properly, in hauls in excess of say 200 meters, should be better with an auto. Plant that sits and works, or does not travel much in use are nowadays mostly hydrostatic drive (skid steer loaders & excavators for example). I hope the continuously variable belt drives have been improved since the days they were used in skid steer loaders in the sixties and seventies.

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