Where did you do the test drives?
Gazz
G'day all!
Today I had the honour of being able to test-drive (by special invitation from LR) the new model line up (except for the new Defender which won't be here until February). Just a few short notes:
RR TdV8 - great car, superb engine!!! But the price tag... ouch! Who is buying one and going offroad in such a palace on wheels! I cannot afford one, for years to come!
RR Sport TdV6 - nice vehicle, but who needs this car, almost as expensive as a real RR but much smaller? You can either go the whole way and buy a RR or go Disco
Disco 3 TdV6 - a disappointment IMHO, engine okay but the rest... plastic bumpers, low profile tyres, the upward-opening rear door, and, worst of all, what moron came up with the spare wheel mounted underneath ??? Is this LR supposed to be driven on sealed roads only???? And all the electric gadgets! What do you do if the trouble bug strikes (as you expect from a LR it will)...
Freelander 2 2.2Td (6cyl) - to my surprise a very nice and great car!!! I never thought much of Freelanders, this one changed my opinion completely. And at least this is the only new LR model (bar the coming Defender I hope) that doesn't have the spare where all the mud and dirt will get it. Silvia always wanted a Freelander, now I just have to save some money...
Conclusion: Quo vadis, Landrover??? I'm glad I saved some real Landrovers already, and hopefully they will last a lifetime, as the present models don't have much in common with what Landrover used to stand for (and, exactly for this reason, don't appeal to me). Maybe it's just as well, as most of the other participants were people with more money in their pockets than grey matter within their skull who buy LR because it's fashionable and never will take them off sealed roads (okay, maybe a gravel track down to the golf course). I went there in my 1995 Disco and, believe it or not, it was the oldest vehicle in the car park, with the exception of another enthusiast who came in his 1968 SIIa (open, in torrential rain, and 8 degrees).
Just some food for thought...
Last edited by Jojo; 26th November 2006 at 08:04 AM.
Johannes
There are people who spend all weekend cleaning the car.
And there are people who drive Discovery.
Where did you do the test drives?
Gazz
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Hmmm, must admit a bit disappointed to read some of the comments in relation to the new lot of LR's. A couple of points, many people driving earlier model LR's are driving vehicles that once upon a time had quite a reasonable price tag on them, take a 03 D2- $60-$80k dependant on the model level it is. Also if you were to look at the majority of new 4WD's sold, the majority are most likely to be on the tar and not in the bush. Then there are others that do take them off road, like myself, with a D3 and many others on here. So what does that make the like of myself??Maybe it's just as well, as most of the other participants were people with more money in their pockets than grey matter within their skull who buy LR because it's fashionable and never will take them off sealed roads (okay, maybe a gravel track down to the golf course).All the talk of electronics, most vehicles these days have some form of electronics, whether it be a new LR, or other 4bie, through to Fords, holdens, mercs, hyundai's etc etc, ie all vehicles.
I'm no LR historian, but I have read up a fair bit, and in general LR's have always been quite expensive compared to the other marques at the time. So whilst someone maybe driving up say a RRC now that may have cost $5-$10k, in its heyday, it would have been an expensive vehicle. People buy to their budget ( if they are sensible), so to one person a $15k car is within budget, to someone else $100k is budget. More dollars than sense doiesnt come into it.
In terms of the D3 as I am familiar with it, yep agree, tyre would be better on the back, doesnt mean it isnt capable off road cause the tyre is there...nope...., why... I drive mine off road. Plastic bumpers, find me a model that comes off the assembly line with a steel bar?? Low profile tyres, yep agree, but they now have suitable offroad tyres for the 17' and 18's. Rear door is excellent, great for sitting and have a cold one on the beach, watching a concert in the rain, a platform for making lunch etc etc. Ive already touched on electric gadgets, nothing unfamilair in most cars these days, albeit in varying degree's.
It may pay to watch making comments like the ones I have quoted, if someone who as you put it made the reverse comment ie geez obviously can't rub 2 cents together and can only drive an old piece of %$#@, somebody just may take offence.
Regards
Stevo
Here, here Stevo.
Jojo, your comments seem to be based more on jealousy than reality.
The current model Toyotas are not much more technologically advanced than your 1995 Disco, so if your after a new 4x4, go buy one of them.
But remember, your 1995 Disco is the end result of technologies developed for the 1985 Range Rovers, which in the most part, were bought by people who would never take them off road. But if they hadn’t bought them, then the need and incentive to continue the advanced development would not been there, so you would have still been driving around in your 1940 Bantom Jeep type 4x4.
I didn’t fork out $130,000 for a 4x4 that would not go off road. If I wanted the spend that much on a vehicle that was going to stay on the black stuff, I’d have bought a BMW sedan.
I bought my Range Rover to go off road and I do so when ever time and work permits and I thank all the people who, over the years, bought RRs and never took them off road, as these people not only gave me the opportunity to buy the most luxurious and capable 4x4 made to date, but they helped finance the continuing advancements that Land Rover is renown for.
Jojo, either get a life or get a Toyota.
Well said, drivesafe and stevo68, well said!![]()
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Last edited by Jamo; 26th November 2006 at 05:18 PM.
In 1973, We at Leyland Truck & Bus were retailing Range Rovers at around $7500, with a hell of a lot of fat in the deal for Leyland. No discount, as RR's were in short supply. This was slightly over twice the price of a Kingswood station wagon with 202, auto, discs. If prices had stayed relative, then the RR today should only cost $60,000 to $70,000. Sales tax at 22 1/2% of the wholesale invoice applied then also. So with new RR's selling at the fabulous prices of today, someone must be making a bloody killing.Originally Posted by stevo68
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I think your right Brian in that someone's making a killing, but steel costs a lot these days and anyone who's physically compared a commodore/falcon with a Land/Range Rover will quickly see that the quality of steel and materials is much lower in the ford/holden product than in the Land Rover one.
Ohhh now that was a car!! A bloody tank, nothing would kill it! Who made the automatic transmission in those?!Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
Steel! In modern cars? Cardboard and bloody plastic more like. Actually all makers these days are using what is known as HSLA (high strength lightweight alloy) steels for stuctural members and body panels. This is for weight reduction and allied to the emissions control regulations. Lighter vehicles use less fuel & thus emit fewer nasties.This is one of the reasons for the increased use of aluminium in vehicles in spite of the cost disadvantage. HSLA steels should not be welded by oxy-acetylene procedure. Just because a vehicle is made by Rover or any other British maker, you should not automatically assume they use high quality materials. The poms are bloody perfidious, and they will use cheap crap and cut corners just as readily as anybody else. Look at their electrical systems for an example.Originally Posted by Jamo
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