Thread: Toyota quality???

ahhh yes the "its cheaper to fit a semi floating axle no one works vehicles that hard anyway" penny pinchers are learning again, does anyone else ever wonder why no 4x4 landrover has ever had anything but a full floating rear end?

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

ahhh yes the "its cheaper to fit a semi floating axle no one works vehicles that hard anyway" penny pinchers are learning again, does anyone else ever wonder why no 4x4 landrover has ever had anything but a full floating rear end?

remember that land Rover cheapened up the hubs on the Defender and narrowed the bearing spacing compared to the 110, and Landy axles aren't known for being the strongest, best quality things going at the best of times, then they dumped the Sals for a 4 pinion Rover rear end, and how many years did it take to get the 300Tdi to stop chewing belts (should have been a recall) and the front CV's arent as strong as the old ones......
The Prado is a car compared to a 70 series, which still sport a full floating rear end, too.

All the manufacturers have problems, and they are all guilty of cheapening up their vehicles.



I thought that recall was pretty common knowledge anyway.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

.......... anyone else ever wonder why no 4x4 landrover has ever had anything but a full floating rear end?

Sorry - ALL Series 1 except the very last station wagons had a semi floating rear axle. But they learned from experience.

John

Originally Posted by rick130

remember that land Rover cheapened up the hubs on the Defender and narrowed the bearing spacing compared to the 110, and Landy axles aren't known for being the strongest, best quality things going at the best of times, then they dumped the Sals for a 4 pinion Rover rear end, and how many years did it take to get the 300Tdi to stop chewing belts (should have been a recall) and the front CV's arent as strong as the old ones......
The Prado is a car compared to a 70 series, which still sport a full floating rear end, too.

All the manufacturers have problems, and they are all guilty of cheapening up their vehicles.



I thought that recall was pretty common knowledge anyway.

Well said

Another Prado recall.

I took this of a 95 series Prado on a flat bed in Brisbane.
I was told there was a ball joint recall to prevent this.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Sorry - ALL Series 1 except the very last station wagons had a semi floating rear axle. But they learned from experience.

John

I was under the impression that they were 3/4 floating in the S1 and so not able to totally loose the wheel in the event of the axle itself fracturing untill the primary bearing totaly failed. (tho it would wobble worse than a fat man pole dancing) I should have stated that none of the newer rovers have semi floaters, My bad, good catch. (or has some penny pinchin ford freller been at my belovered)


Yes Im aware that a, the bearing spacing on the hubs changed and b, that landie axles esp the rover ones are abit play doughish but they are still fully floating so if it does snap the rear wheel doesnt try to over take you on the down hill.

I dont mind if a spendthrift engineer has a go at something to make it cheaper But IMHO things that are critical safety (Axle design, brakes, restraints, chassis construction as key examples) should fall into the catagory of "it costs this much to make it strong enough and safe enough to keep working in the event of a failure" regardless of cost.


but this isnt ment to be a hijack.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

I was under the impression that they were 3/4 floating in the S1 and so not able to totally loose the wheel in the event of the axle itself fracturing untill the primary bearing totaly failed. (tho it would wobble worse than a fat man pole dancing) I should have stated that none of the newer rovers have semi floaters, My bad, good catch. ......

They are described as semifloating, and I think that is the correct term - the axle actually carries the load via a single outer ball race. If the axle broke outside the bearing you would lose the wheel, if inside the wheel would develop a lean and you could expect the bearing to fail rapidly.

However, I cannot recall ever hearing of an axle breaking on a Series 1 rear end - what they did was the bearing failed. And the replacement was not a roadside job - you had to turn the retaining collar off on a lathe, and press on the replacement collar after changing the bearing. In 1963 I got this done in a couple of hours at Moonbi on the New England Highway, making the last ten miles into the village having to use second gear as the bearing was almost siezed. I doubt you could get that sort of repair done today there!

John

Pretty sure the P38A (and I suppose the D2) are semi-floating.

Ron