Thread: Holden v's Ford

Originally Posted by scrambler

wtf? Dont they BOTH use USA-produced engines made by their parent companies?

In V8's as far as i know the Holden engine is designed by Holden Motorsport in Australia and the majority of ford engines are made by SBR.

In the road going cars Holden switched to Chev with the late model VT's when they started using the 5.7L LS1, now the 6.0L LS2. Ford used the 5.4L engine in the pursuit utes and the TE model AU's, and now in the BA-BF series 8's which is called the Triton V8 and yes its from the US.

I know of at least 1 350 chev powered HQ 4 door that raced at bathurst in the 70's, I'll have to do some research to find who it was but I have seen it on my mates dads home movies of his visits to bathurst.

I have also seen an XD falcon with a 2 litre twin cam turbo engine similar to that of a sierra here in oz that was an import buy a guy named Steve in the ford 4 club and once landed he rebadged it as a falcon for a laugh as it went quicker than a 351 V8 XD.

Ive owned a TD Cortina with a 302 windsor in it with a K frame out of a Capri V8 which was called a Boss Capri in the USA and the K frame was worth literally twice as much as the car back in the early 90's.

Also Go Lowndesy, theres no doubt he is the best driver in the series regardless of what brand he is driving.

Originally Posted by Ace

In V8's as far as i know the Holden engine is designed by Holden Motorsport in Australia and the majority of ford engines are made by SBR.

In the road going cars Holden switched to Chev with the late model VT's when they started using the 5.7L LS1, now the 6.0L LS2. Ford used the 5.4L engine in the pursuit utes and the TE model AU's, and now in the BA-BF series 8's which is called the Triton V8 and yes its from the US.

The "T series" falsons ran either a 5l windsor or 5.6l stroked windsor, TE50 and TS50, i can't remember which had which

And the only V8 that was ever remotely australian are the dirty old 253's and 308's, everything FoMoCo was from the states

Originally Posted by Tank

At least Ford uses Ford engines, not Chevrolet like Holden, Ford also use Ford Design Diff-Centres and so does Holden, Regards Frank.

As far as the V8 Supercars go, im pretty sure that the final drives in both cars are built by Harrops and Im pretty sure they both use the same or similar Hollinger boxes.

The HMS 5.7 engine is a chev desighn but built from scratch here in OZ but I think at least some of the Ford blocks are sorced from the US.

i allways thought that holden aus build only up to 5 litre and above that was from the states ?btw im a ford fan holden stole the 9inch and the 351 was designed off the 350 bottom end
Cheers Greg

Originally Posted by Tank

At least Ford uses Ford engines, not Chevrolet like Holden, Ford also use Ford Design Diff-Centres and so does Holden, Regards Frank.

Where does the windsor and cleveland engine family's come from, not australia

The use of the 9" diff always amuses me, the fact it has a 9" crownwheel and 3 pinion bearing is where all the similarities end, everything else is made by machine shops and completely different to what ford produced in touring cars and custom applications, stock 9"s are weak as ****, break the cruddy cast carriers with any abuse

Originally Posted by googe

i allways thought that holden aus build only up to 5 litre and above that was from the states ?btw im a ford fan holden stole the 9inch and the 351 was designed off the 350 bottom end
Cheers Greg

I fail to see how "the 351" is based on a 350

1. Windsor or cleveland, 2 different engines

2. Cleveland.. 302 and 351 use the SAME engine block, just different crank and rods

3. Windsor.. 302 and 351 are ALMOST the same, just larger deck height to accomodate for the longer stroke

I know very little about touring cars, as they don't represent a brand, just a team and a buget.....nothing more

But I do know about dirty old fords and holdens and am amazed at some the "information" that comes out