Holden v's Ford

**scrambler** · 13th September 2007, 06:47 AM

V8 supercars is a marketing exercise, not a sport. That Holdens sell better than Fords and both sell much better than Magnas comes down to the marketing for V8 supercars. As for Holden being all Australian - not since General Motors bought in - i.e. before they ever built a full car.

On the racing side of things - the Ford and Holden marketing departments could see the overseas tourers coming in every year and taking the prizes. The Nissans were unbeatable, except possibly by the Cosworths (assuming they could lift their game). But the marketing lads could see that sales of ricers would increase and the big "family" cars they were tooled up to produce would drop - meaning lower profits. And if it weren't for the V8s I doubt the Falcon or Commodore would exist. More people would buy "smaller" cars.

Sit in a 60's Ford/Holden again and tell me you can't get the same (or rather, more) interior space, comforts, speed and handling from a $20,000 Korean

**Reads90** · 13th September 2007, 07:02 AM

Personally i don't get into this arguement as i come form the UK
Where the Holden (Vauxhall) and Ford are both crap cars (same cars as here) which you buy for your wife for her to go to the supermarket and pick the kids up from school, and that is about it

**Captain_Rightfoot** · 13th September 2007, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by tombraider

Go the GTP racing...

Real cars, the real way, as per the old Days...

Exactly. Unfortunately though, the local heroes are always going to get beaten, and their are too many people in Aus that just like motor racing to see holden/ford win

That's why they like v8 supercars. It's just a control formula to ensure that either make has a similar chance of winning. It's entertainment. Excellent.

For me I consider myself a car enthusiast. Hence, I am trying to work my way through all the brands, and consider it the height of sadness for someone to love just Holden or Ford. But then, life is short... if that makes you happy

**JohnE** · 13th September 2007, 07:51 AM

Same old same old,

Worked with a bloke years ago, old Lenny Howell ( no longer with us)
He worked on the line at GMH at Pagewood. During the sixties,
Never drove a holden, nor a ford, reckoned if you got either car ( from that vintage) and turned them upside down and shook them they would fall apart. This from a guy who made them.

So it boils down to personal taste in my opinion.

john

**numpty** · 13th September 2007, 08:06 AM

V8 Supercars are disappointing really. In the days when Group A was going to be the thing, Bernie Ecclestone got involved and wanted to turn the local racing into a silhouette formula. ie same chassis/drive train, with your choice of bodies. Everyone screamed

Oh no you can't do that.
I humbly suggest, this is what we have now with the supercar circus.

MarknDeb · 13th September 2007, 08:18 AM

Holden

they say its better than a BMW

Ford well i wouldn’t own one but at least they done make a ridiculous statement like above.

I hope Jeremy Clarkson comes out and test drives the crumbledoor to ridicule it like he does the yanks cars
and show it for what it really is.

**barryj** · 13th September 2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by MarknDeb

Holden

they say its better than a BMW

Ford well i wouldn’t own one but at least they done make a ridiculous statement like above.

I hope Jeremy Clarkson comes out and test drives the crumbledoor to ridicule it like he does the yanks cars
and show it for what it really is.

Mark, you are cruel, true but cruel

.

**BigJon** · 13th September 2007, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by MarknDeb

I hope Jeremy Clarkson comes out and test drives the crumbledoor to ridicule it like he does the yanks cars
and show it for what it really is.

Except he will probably love it. They all go gaga over the Monaro, and the new Commodore is better than that.

**CraigE** · 13th September 2007, 08:33 AM

There is no comparrison Holdens are better.
Just look at the GTHO fast, but can not handle or brake, beaten by a little Torana.

I am a Holden man through and through but I like most cars including the Furds (Nothing past the XC though), Valiants etc.
Its like a following a footy team.

MarknDeb · 13th September 2007, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by BigJon

Except he will probably love it. They all go gaga over the Monaro, and the new Commodore is better than that.

crumbledoor is built to the same build quality as the monaro

, our cars are built to the same quality and conditions as our roads, need i say more on that. We had the last of the VS Equips (run out model) and to compare with the Disco well there is no comparason at least when i do a days drive in the Disco i get out fealing the same as when i got in (not including off road), In the end of our accociation with holden Deb even refused to drive the car, she would walk to the shops and leave it in the garage, it had more visits to the dealers for waranty than half the discos on here

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