Thread: Holden v's Ford

Originally Posted by wannalandy

As nice as the GTHO phase 3 was it had the handling capabilities of a transit van . extremely talented in a straight line but hit a corner and you needed sea sick pills . Holden has always handled better and still does to this day . Why do you think they made holden get rid of the strut in the v8's ???? cos it handled better than the wishbone set up . And thats why holden also has to run ford based heads on the motor . So ford could catch up .... I know this will start a slinging match but its a fact

Did you come to this incredulous conclusion because you OWNED a GTHO or are you just passing on the crap that most holden fans make up as they go, I owned a XY GT (not HO) and it was the quickest off the factory floor 4 door car in the world at that time, around corners too, back in 1971 there was nothing on the street that would even go close to the GT. For all those Holden Fans out there that believe Holdens were designed in Australia, think again, Opel, Vauxhall and Pontiac are the basis of Australia's own, the only way holden could beat Ford was to import a Vauxhall from England (Torana) and stuff a Big 6 and a V8 into a small 4cyl. car weighing half as much and go racing, when Ford countered by bringing in the Ford Sierras all the holden fans chucked a Tizzy because they didn't like watching their Vauxhalls (Toranas) get their a*$e kicked. I dont mind competition between Ford and Holden (GMC Chevrolet), but lets call a spade a spade and have no more rubbish about Holden being Australia's own, Ford have never claimed to be Australia's own and all Ford Falcons since 1971 have been designed and engineered by Australians in Australia and you can thank Ford Australia for the UTE, first designed and engineered by an Australian in Australia and built by Ford Australia, Regards Frank.

And yet again ford fans forget about the A9X winning by six laps and busting the lap record on the last lap . Can't say i've seen or heard of a ford doing that ?????

Ah, yes. The "Mighty Falcon GT" myth. Won at Bathurst in 67 with 289 cubes against 1275cc minis. Lost in 68 to Holden GTS 327's. Lost in 1969 to Holden GTS 350's. In fact I seem to recall the GTS 350's filled 7 of the first 10 places that year. won in 70 & 71 with 351 cubes against 186 Toranas. Lost again in 72 with 351 cubes against 202 Toranas. Looks like they could win only against cars with engines half the size or less of the Falcon's, and even then, not all the time.

Not to mention the year dick ran 351 instead of 302s.

lead all the way but could not finish would have been caught out.

evvery one in pit lane new
the flag marshals all new.

Sponsors happy.

M

The hostility of the fans caused the Sierras and Nissans to be declared ineligible. The race then was for production cars, in price classes, supposedly on sale at retail in Australia and 200 identical examples had to have been available for retail sale. The Sierras were factory prepared thinly disguised pure racing cars, & the Nissans not quite that. Neither could remotely be considered to be available for retail sale in Australia. CAMS at the time had visions of grandeur, looking enviously at the European Touring Car Championship and the US TransAm series and were trying to get high class international entrants, so they permitted entries that did not meet the regulations or the spirit, which the fans realised and booed loudly.

Originally Posted by HSVRangie

Not to mention the year dick ran 351 instead of 302s.

lead all the way but could not finish would have been caught out.

evvery one in pit lane new
the flag marshals all new.

Sponsors happy.

M

And the year the Ford factory team were shod with Firestone racing tyres that would not fit on privateer's cars as they fouled the steering and suspension. Not homologated!!! Just as well they all retired hurt as the protest forms and cheques were ready and waiting.

I looked at this after the FIRST post and thought--
Parking Lot? yes, no, maybe---

Hang 5, touring car racing has never been about straight line speed, granted the HO would win in straight line but that was not what racing was about, you have to be able to brake and turn to. The cars entered have to be able to compete on the nominated tracks, not fantasy tracks that have no consequence. This is ultimately why Ford were no good in racing for most of the 70's. If we were at Nuremburg ring then Holden would have obviously gone for cubes too, but as it was touring car racing went for handling. Most Ford fans have not gotten over the embarrassment and the best they can come up with is what about a straight line race or a banked circuit. Please.
I love the GT's but not my perfect car by a long shot and yes I have driven them fro XT, XR, XW, XY and XYGTHO as well as many other various high performance and not so high performance makes.
If we want to be factual the E49 Charger is actually quicker than a HO, do the research.
Lets do it right, we will put a HO against an LJ Torana with a 350 in it and compare apples with apples. It would be no contest. I have been in an LJ 308 let alone a 350 and that flogged a standard XY GTHO over the quarter.
Not to mention a good friends LX SS 308 Torana that had it engine and drive crafted by the owner clocked at 270kph by the police, twice to make sure. That car put out G forces a HO could only dream about. It sailed past me on my GSX1100 and I was doing 245kph.
Then we could get into options Holden had at its disposal but chose not to use such as the 454 but that is irrelevant as are the Ford supporter unfair claims.

Originally Posted by MarknDeb

You cant compare a GTHO against a torana for braking ability, thats like comparing a Ferrari against a go cart racing on a go cart track, now it would be interesting to put them on a track like the Nuremberg Ring to see what to out come would be