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    Causes of Punctures

    On several of the tyre related threads I have seen comments such as, "My mate on Brand X had half a dozen punctures and I had none with my Brand Y".
    (I'm not having a go at you Angus. Others have said similar things in the past)

    I know people are trying to offer helpful information, but without a fair bit of extra information, that comment isn't much help.
    What caused the puncture?
    Was it a nail he picked up when he did a trip to the local dump the day before he left for the trip?
    Were his tyres fairly well worn before the trip started?
    Was there some other factor involved that I can't think of at the moment?

    One of my reasons for mentioning this is that I have had more flat tyres in one year with my Kumho radials on the Defender than I had in 23 years of crossply retreads on the Series III.
    However none of the flat tyres has anything to do with the quality of the tyres.
    Two were caused by nails or screws, one was caused by the wire in the tread being damaged and bent by an earlier puncture and poking a hole in the tube and one was caused by the brass bit of the valve stem separating from the rubber bit.

    Counting the punctures doesn't seem to be much help in making a decision about tyre quality.
    A bit of extra information about the nature of the puncture could make the comment much more useful.

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    Incorrect tyre pressures (i.e. too low) can be a big contributing factor to punctures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnx205 View Post

    However none of the flat tyres has anything to do with the quality of the tyres.
    Two were caused by nails or screws, one was caused by the wire in the tread being damaged and bent by an earlier puncture and poking a hole in the tube and one was caused by the brass bit of the valve stem separating from the rubber bit.
    Wouldnt the quality of the tyre have something to do with it being able to resist a puncture from something like a nail or screw?

    As for my comments, unfortunately I dont have all the details of the punctures, but from what I recall they all happened on gibber type plains. So here the quality of the tyre would have a big impact on their resistance to punctures.

    You do raise a point though. But often people just want a mass consensus on a type of tyre. I in particular wouldnt want all the details of each puncture because I know that a nail could puncture even the best of tyres...I would want a generally idea of their puncture resistance though and the experience people have with them.

    Angus

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    The biggest cause of flat tyres (as opposed to punctures) in my experience has been the quality of tubes used. Unless you ask for something like Michelin tubes the tyre joint will put in Taiwanese condoms, to save a few bucks (for them, not you)

    As you can tell none of my last 4WDs have run tubeless tyres.

    From my experience tread penetration can happen to any tyre if the object is big/sharp enough and in the right place.


    Martyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDisco View Post
    Wouldnt the quality of the tyre have something to do with it being able to resist a puncture from something like a nail or screw? Angus
    Yes, I believe you are right but in my case the radials, which I'm sure are better than my old rag retreads, were the ones to get a nail or a screw through the tread.

    Quote Originally Posted by McDisco View Post
    As for my comments, unfortunately I dont have all the details of the punctures, but from what I recall they all happened on gibber type plains. So here the quality of the tyre would have a big impact on their resistance to punctures.

    You do raise a point though. But often people just want a mass consensus on a type of tyre. I in particular wouldnt want all the details of each puncture because I know that a nail could puncture even the best of tyres...I would want a generally idea of their puncture resistance though and the experience people have with them.
    Angus
    Fair enough.
    I suppose I meant that there are times when it would be helpful to know some more details.
    Some punctures can probably be attributed to tyre quality.
    Some are the result of operator error.
    Some are probably just bad luck.
    I just thought that the number of punctures alone is not enough of a guide.
    I had a better run out of my rag retreads over 23 years than I have had out of the radials in one year. But I know it's not because the retreads are a better tyre.

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    I have had more punctures since moving into the country. All but one was a nail or screw. The only one I don't know for certain was the last one I had which was with tubes. That one I don't know but the side wall and tube were both destroyed.

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    the disco has only ever had one failure in nearly 5 years of on and off road around here; tarmac to rough as guts....

    i picked up a bunch of crappy steely bits when i was at the lismore tip;
    took my mate, crusty, the local tyre fixer, about a six pack and lots of swearing to sort that one,

    that tyre's is still onboard (about 3 years), with a tube inside...

    but on the way back from perth (in a fairlane), i lost 3 (new) tyres in about 1000ks, the tread fell off...


    hmmm


    GQ

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    Ahhh what causes puntures.........

    Well it is really simple....
    Anything that pierces the outer carcas and lets the side with the higher pressure equalise with the lower pressure side....

    If only we could keep the tyre the same pressure ratio to the atmosphere....

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    Hi i used to run tubes for many years in my vehicles, a lot of flats back then.

    ever since my Rovers are fitted with Disco tubeless rims or 130 tubeless rims, hardly any flats at all, but they can come unstuck if your running very low tire pressure.
    Fixing a flat is easy, tires don't have to come of the rim, all you need a repair set and a pump.

    good night

    Richard

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    As much as we would like radials to be good offroad and puncture resistant, they will never be as good as the old conventional crossply or rag as some call them.
    Radials are a compromise, no one tyre brand stands out as being better when it comes too staking a tyre offroad or just your everyday puncture.

    Baz.
    Cheers Baz.

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