Rudds apology

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Originally Posted by 45tr0

What is our typical response when we find out someone has suffered a loss in their family? We say sorry. Sure, I might not be guilty of killing your grandma. But it doesn't mean I can't feel sorry for your loss.

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You might, I don't. Maybe it is because I have a malformed sympathy gland, but I just don't do that. If someone says it to me in a similar situation I can't help but think "Now why would they be sorry? Did they do it?".

Perhaps it has got to do with the individuals interpretation of the word sorry. I think to use the word sorry you have to A: Have done the wrong thing and B: actually be repentant of those actions.

With regard to the "current apology" being discussed, I didn't do anything wrong (refer to A) and therefore I can't be repentant (B).

Mind you, this is my personal opinion and if other people don't agree then that is fine. Moreover, if others actually feel better because of what has been said then that is fine too. Who am I to rain on other peoples parades? :D

what a shame that some members here cant have the empathy to embrace a violated people. What a disgrace

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Originally Posted by muddydigger

what a shame that some members here cant have the empathy to embrace a violated people. What a disgrace

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and yet, your signature is in conflict with what you just posted???

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Originally Posted by RonMcGr

It has started..:(

Neville Austin launches first stolen generations claim in Victoria | NEWS.com.au

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It is believed his solicitors have briefed seasoned barrister Jack Rush, QC, who last year helped extract a $4 billion payout from James Hardie Industries for sufferers of asbestos-related disease.
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Ah, ah.

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Originally Posted by wannalandy

All i'm going to say is . A lot of people are going to get rich and the tax payer is going to have to foot the bill ....... great work kevin rudd ya pair of clown shoes :mad:

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The way I see it... 12 million taxpayers, 25000 affected indigenous people... and lets face it, they should be compensated to some degree by what they've been through...

I can't imagine how much I'd want if I'd been through a similar ordeal... assume they'll get $100,000 each on average... =$25 billion/12 million people = $210 each = peanuts in the grand sceme of things... and you can feel you've done the right thing and move on... a small pricew indeed in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Offender90

The way I see it... 12 million taxpayers, 25000 affected indigenous people... and lets face it, they should be compensated to some degree by what they've been through...

I can't imagine how much I'd want if I'd been through a similar ordeal... assume they'll get $100,000 each on average... =$25 billion/12 million people = $210 each = peanuts in the grand sceme of things... and you can feel you've done the right thing and move on... a small pricew indeed in my mind.

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It is more like 50,000 people allegedly affected, so say $50 Billion. Nothing else gets done in this country for a few years. And what if the payouts are more? The money gets wasted, nothing changes. Spend the money helping all disadvataged people to get a start. Money is diverted from hospitals, schools, infrastructure. Fine if you want to contribute, but I dont.
There were injustices done, but also a lot of neccessary removals. Time to move on like the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by crump

and yet, your signature is in conflict with what you just posted???

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It's a sad day when a moderator takes sides in what is clearly an emotive issue.
Best you stick to moderating and not sympathise with a predominant view.

This thread should have been locked up ages ago, what is it with you guys, entertainment?
:firedevil::firedevil::firedevil::firedevil::fired evil:

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Originally Posted by harro

It's a sad day when a moderator takes sides in what is clearly an emotive issue.
Best you stick to moderating and not sympathise with a predominant view.

This thread should have been locked up ages ago, what is it with you guys, entertainment?
:firedevil::firedevil::firedevil::firedevil::fired evil:

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The point of these forums is every one should be able to voice their opinion. I do respect every ones opinion that is different to mine, however I may disagree. The mods are entitled to their opinion and to voice it the same as the rest of us.
It is not entertainment but discussion and I will not back away from my view point, nor do I expect any one else to. These discussions will be taking place in every workplace, home and public area at the momment.
At the end of the day if you do not like what is being said do not read or take part in the thread and if you dislike the way the forum is run or its content then maybe its time to move on.
If the majority are saying one thing then maybe that should tell you something.
If you want to say sorry and pay compensation then that is fine and your decision, but for those of us who disagree we should be entitled to take our stance as well. It does not for a minute mean that a lot of us do not feel for these people and what they have been through, but there are many more that have been through similar or worse. There is a hell of a lot more to it than the simplistic view of people being removed from their families.

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Originally Posted by crump

and yet, your signature is in conflict with what you just posted???

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I beg your pardon? Just how the F*** do you figure that one out??
Plainly there are members here whom display an ignorant lack of understanding for what has been done to these people for 200 years.
I dont care if you disagree with or not and wish to argue it but base your replies on FACT not half thruths. I can tell you hald the crud written here is just that Unsubstansiated garbage based on inunedo and falicy.
In the last 90 years an estimated 100,000 children were forcibly removed from their families. placed in missions,, made awards of the state and violated, beaten,molested, raped and beaten. All because of the colour of their skin. Why is it that people think that this happened in ancient history?? it didn't, it happened as late as as 1973. Do you know how I know that, as a FACT? because my wife was one of them MATE!! my Wife's mother was another one of them MATE. MY Mother in law was severely beaten as child just for looking wrongly at a white child.
MATE I have intmatye knolledge of what some of these people have been through so If you care to argue it go ahead. Moderator or not I personally couldnt give rats if your were the queen of Sheba, Dont insult me by telling me my posts contradict my signature. My posts are my opinion, and like you Iam perfectly entitled to express them, and to that end if disagree with your post Im going to tell you I disagree with you.
Your right there are a lot of people whom have been through worse, but alot of these people have also been and have there day in court and been recompensed fro the pain and suffering. But now that it has been formally recognized that what ws done to 100,000 people was WRONG both humanely and in law, they too should be recompensed for pain and suffering. I dont care if you agree with me or not that is my opinion and expressed so.

My little neighbour (10 years old) just said to me,"Kevin Rudd said sorry to my Pop for the government stealing him when he was little. He's real happy. And Pop said it can't happen anymore. That's good."

I don't need any more than that to know an apology was the right thing to do.