Thread: Rudds apology

Originally Posted by cookiesa

This is part of the problem. They were taken FULL STOP. No abuse was needed etc it was done because they were aboroginal and the white population of the time new better. They were removed to be brought up "just like us"

I'm not big on the whole thing but the apology is appropriate and compensation, just like wrongly removed white children and their families have recieved is justified.

The English would want to be very careful about going down the path of "we were invaded" every country YOU invaded and tried to enforce your way of life etc has seen nothing but troubles. Go on name a country England Invaded... (sorry "settled") that worked. Africa? anyone want to discuss apartheid?

ummmm Apartheid was nothing to do with the poms...... Sth Africa was mainly colonised by the Dutch.

Lets just keep the history right

Originally Posted by wardy1

ummmm Apartheid was nothing to do with the poms...... Sth Africa was mainly colonised by the Dutch.

Lets just keep the history right

True, I think only a only a couple were British, Rhodesia and Kenya ??.

Originally Posted by Jamo
IMO this thread hilights the problem.

Too much too and fro, finger pointing and argument as to who was/is right and who/was is wrong.

None of it helps the plight of the aboriginal people.

A lot less 'debate' and a lot more action is what's needed.

I kind of touched on this in the other thread, but is it "plight" or is it "choice". Forget the skin colour as there is "plight" or what I prefer to call "choice" that is existant with all sorts of Australians. Why is it that people from 3rd world conditions can come to Australia and make a great life for themselves, build a business, a family, educate their children. But those that are born on the doorstep of all those possibilities, don't take advantage of it. It has nothing to do with skin colour as I have worked with people of all nationalities. Success in life is a choice, where does self responsibility come into the equation. The bloke that sold our house to us, him and his brother, originally from Sri Lanka I think, run a hugely successful real estate agency. Their parents arrived here with squat.

One might argue " well thats all they know" and you'd be right, but that applies across the board ie black or white Australian. If a child is bought up in squalor, Dad doesnt work, Mum doesnt work, Uncles/Aunties dont work....what do you think the mindset of the child is going to be. A few will grow up and aim for a better life...hence "Choice"...many will repeat what they grew up with.

Hence why in my mind, I don't care what race/colour you are, it is whether I can respect you as an individual, what do you bring to the table, how do you approach your life, are you a "sinker" or a "swimmer". When life throws you a curve ball, do you abbregate responsibility or take it on the chin, no matter how one might hurt inside. I guess and using that example that I highlighted as it is indicative through out this and the other chat..along with comments that "we" whitey made it that way for the aboriginals..in this case...and I would argue that they made it that way for themselves...and when I say for themselves...let me stress those that live in less that great conditions....not unlike any other person who lives in crappy conditions. ( Please note I am talking about a person born with 2 arms/legs/a brain..ie the same opportunity at life as the next person),

Regards

Stevo

I have impressed myself - there is so much that I just am bursting to say about this 'thing that happened yesterday' but I wont. This thread is not good for too much.

I didn't agree with it but... we do need sort out the problems in the communities and that is where our energy needs to be focussed.

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Your point being?? I haven't seen any redneck views whatsoever, if anything different view points. As per another thread on how some of these issues have been discussed on the whole with maturity and you fling that up..........how ridiculous,

Regards

Stevo

To Duncanw,
they lived happily without us for 40,000 years.
Maybe we stuffed their way of life over the last 200 years.
I am glad the government apologised for its actions.

I am very sorry Stevo68.
There was no harm intended in any way.
I was simply trying to lighten up what has been a very intense discussion.

Originally Posted by stevo68

I kind of touched on this in the other thread, but is it "plight" or is it "choice". Forget the skin colour as there is "plight" or what I prefer to call "choice" that is existant with all sorts of Australians. ............Stevo

mate all l can say is, l would love having a few reds with you at the wine and pizza night, having a good natter about what you r saying because a discussion to the lengths we could go to, is far to much to type

cheers

P.S Mate let me also say, that i mean this is a totally respectful way ! l like a person who has belief in his/hers convictions, ld really would love to sit down over a few good ones and have a discussion with attitude about any lively issues, as l do with my own friends

cheers