Thread: Oh What A Feeling

A fool and his money are easily parted.

Yep the cruser can have a ball weight of 350kg which toymota drivers rave about, the defender is only 250kg.
But with a set of draws a fridge and some extra fuel that big ball weight on the cruser is reduced to 0kg while the defender is still 250kg (and your still able to keep pilling in the siht in the back on the defender).
This is because the usable payload on the cruser is about 500kg, compared to about a ton on the defender.

Oh what a feeling (of disappointment)

Originally Posted by maca

This is because the usable payload on the cruser is about 500kg, compared to about a ton on the defender.
Oh what a feeling (of disappointment)

Just a matter of interest what is the payload in the back of a D2? I regularly am carrying sawn firewood in the back of mine.

Does the LC 200 have some sort of sensing of loads?

Re payload, most modern 4WDs have very little payload. For example, my P38A has a GVM of 2780kg. The kerb weight (with a full tank and 75kg driver) is 2220kg. That leaves a payload of 560kg.

Less another 25kg for my weight, less, say 75kg, for an adult passenger, and 100kg for 2 kids. Now we are back to 360kg payload.

I've got 210 litres of fuel on board instead of the usual 100 litres - say 110kg extra (including steel tanks). Now the remaining payload is 250kg.

If I add 250kg of towball weight, I have zero kg payload left.

Hang on, I've got a bullbar and winch, and a rear bar and wheel carrier.

Hmm, I had better forget carrying any luggage - I've used up my allowable payload. I hope the RTA doesn't start roadside weight checks on 4WDs.

Note, actual weights of persons are estimated (I don't have a winch, bullbar, caravan, or 2 young kids). A lot of parents these days are a damn sight heavier than 100kg for the male and 75 kg for the wife. We are becoming a nation of obese - especially a lot of young people.

Originally Posted by maca

.......... the defender is only 250kg.

Is that for the new one?

I seem to recall it's 350kg in the TD5 Deefer.

Originally Posted by p38arover

Does the LC 200 have some sort of sensing of loads?

Re payload, most modern 4WDs have very little payload. For example, my P38A has a GVM of 2780kg. The kerb weight (with a full tank and 75kg driver) is 2220kg. That leaves a payload of 560kg.

Less another 25kg for my weight, less, say 75kg, for an adult passenger, and 100kg for 2 kids. Now we are back to 460kg payload.

I've got 210 litres of fuel on board instead of the usual 100 litres - say 110kg extra (including steel tanks). Now the remaining payload is 350kg.

If I add 250kg of towball weight, I have 100kg payload left.

Hang on, I've got a bullbar and winch, and a rear bar and wheel carrier.

Hmm, I had better forget carrying any luggage - I've used up my allowable payload. I hope the RTA doesn't start roadside weight checks on 4WDs.

Note, actual weights of persons are estimated (I don't have a winch, bullbar, caravan, or 2 young kids). A lot of parents these days are a damn sight heavier than 100kg for the male and 75 kg for the wife. We are becoming a nation of obese - especially a lot of young people.

560 - 25 - 75 - 100 = 360kg not 460, so you are a hundred worse than your figures anyway.

There would be very few travelling families who do not overload their vehicles anyway, even if they are not four wheel drives. But as you point out, most modern four wheel drives have surprisingly low payloads. You have to take into account the weight of all those gadgets, the air conditioning, power everything, the two hundred horsepower engine (and the fuel for it), and then make sure that the suspension is nice and soft even when empty - no surprise that the load carrying is not great.

John

What amazes me is that there are still plenty of "sheep" in the world who buy cruisers "because they are Toyotas"
I suppose if the all woke up we would have trouble getting our thinking mans 4wd's.
Steve.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

560 - 25 - 75 - 100 = 360kg not 460, so you are a hundred worse than your figures anyway.

Bugger! I'm gunna blame my eyes! (maths now fixed)

Originally Posted by JDNSW

There would be very few travelling families who do not overload their vehicles anyway, even if they are not four wheel drives. But as you point out, most modern four wheel drives have surprisingly low payloads. You have to take into account the weight of all those gadgets, the air conditioning, power everything, the two hundred horsepower engine (and the fuel for it), and then make sure that the suspension is nice and soft even when empty - no surprise that the load carrying is not great.

Yep. The Disco 1 has a greater payload than the P38A. Re suspension, that's one reason why air suspension is good.