Thread: Unleaded fuel to be phased out in NSW

Originally Posted by p38arover

Parking in a disabled spot probably comes under the "road-related areas" rule so one can be booked for doing that. However, unless hybrid parking is covered by council bylaws, I dunno.

I see Randwick has introduced green parking, too.

How many more regulations are going to put in place in NSW?
I was considering moving back there after "Mr Regulations" (Bob Carr) left the Goverment but I can see that the senior public servants are having a ball there in dictateing how the people have to live

The big problem with E10, and something the car companies and Govt wont acknowledge is the far greater demands it puts on your lubricating oil.
The aromatic component of the E10 fuel is extremely tough on oil, and this is exacerbated with direct injected petrol engines which are chronic fuel diluters.
Look at halving the factory recommended oil change intervals if you wish to keep a vehicle for quite a number of years using the ethanol laced brews.

This is based on advice from a professional independent lubricants adviser I deal with in the US.

Originally Posted by rick130

The big problem with E10, and something the car companies and Govt wont acknowledge is the far greater demands it puts on your lubricating oil.
The aromatic component of the E10 fuel is extremely tough on oil, and this is exacerbated with direct injected petrol engines which are chronic fuel diluters.
Look at halving the factory recommended oil change intervals if you wish to keep a vehicle for quite a number of years using the ethanol laced brews.

This is based on advice from a professional independent lubricants adviser I deal with in the US.

This begs the question,,
will the car manufacturers change their servicing to allow/include Bio?

ie;
The Oil service interval for a D4 in NSW is ------
Rest of Australia is --------

I think that the Law makers and Doo Gooders do not care about us.
The car manufacturers and the goverment have their agenda and HERE is the proof

So I think that we have to start saving

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

This begs the question,,
will the car manufacturers change their servicing to allow/include Bio?

ie;
The Oil service interval for a D4 in NSW is ------
Rest of Australia is --------

Based on the US experience, I doubt it.

Funny thing is some oils cope OK, and in one instance, some 'premium', very exxy ones don't. (although it appears all the direct injected engines suffer)
The oil company involved, who was retailing E10 fuel didn't re-blend their oils to suit the E10, so go figure......

Dont think its just NSW,it has already started in QLD.There is one Caltex in beenleigh that has most of its pumps E10,the others are premium unleaded,and a diesel

I rang Caltex & they said the Govt was pushing this,& they had a few complaints from customers.

So we are the mugs that will be paying for it with higher costs.Oil companys will be happy,one less type of fuel to worry about,

My son has used E10 in his v8 96 dunny dore & it definitely uses around 10% more,as do our workvans although most of them are on LPG.

And the issue ,as said ,of oil breakdown is a major concern,which will also push up serviceing costs& may lead to failures due to people not realising this issue.

And to confuse the issue,isnt there a different diesel around?

Originally Posted by rick130

The big problem with E10, and something the car companies and Govt wont acknowledge is the far greater demands it puts on your lubricating oil.
The aromatic component of the E10 fuel is extremely tough on oil, and this is exacerbated with direct injected petrol engines which are chronic fuel diluters.
Look at halving the factory recommended oil change intervals if you wish to keep a vehicle for quite a number of years using the ethanol laced brews.

This is based on advice from a professional independent lubricants adviser I deal with in the US.

Aromatic component????? Ethanol is not an aromatic chemical, and as it is itself an octane booster it would reduce the need for additional aromatic content, which is a common way of increasing octane rating. I suggest if someone is telling you that there is a higher aromatic content in E10 than unleaded, then they do not know what they are talking about. And I would be cautious about advice from a market which draws its feedstock from an almost totally different set of fields.

John

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Aromatic component????? Ethanol is not an aromatic chemical, and as it is itself an octane booster it would reduce the need for additional aromatic content, which is a common way of increasing octane rating. I suggest if someone is telling you that there is a higher aromatic content in E10 than unleaded, then they do not know what they are talking about. And I would be cautious about advice from a market which draws its feedstock from an almost totally different set of fields.

John

John, I've been told that the E10 fuels available in the US have had their aromatics increased and it is negatively affecting oils in the sump compared to as recently as five years ago. This source is someone who's business is oil analysis and works with triboligists and blenders all the time, as well as end users.
He's seeing the results day in, day out in oil tests.

Also, I wouldn't have thought the feedstock would have made any difference to the ethanol derived ?