Police shoot 15yo boy in Melbourne

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Originally Posted by antvc

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

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If and possibly regardless, of him ignoring pepper spray, there is no way I would expect ANYONE to go near a crazy man threatening them with knives.

The police are doing their job, and not threatening people. I'm sure you get all the "safety at work" crap, I would not accept my staff getting slashed and possibly killed or permanently injured for some random who is incapable of respecting the world he lives in.

Sorry to disagree a little, i fully understand your point of view. There are always things that could be done.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by antvc

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

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I wonder what you would say if they had tried that and one of the police officers had been killed...

I wonder if we will ever hear the post mortem result ?? What cocktail of stuff was this kid on??
I drove taxi's around Melb part time over 25 years till about 7 years ago. What killed it for me was the increasing frequency of drugged & off thier face teenagers. They were so unpredictable. There was always drunks, thats an integral part of the job & you soon learnt to handle them ( as did the cops).
Our society is changed for the worse and the police have had to change or suffer the consequences.
In a way it was fortunate that 3 opened fire as that should share the responsibility.
Has anybody considered another Hoddle St/ Port Arthur was averted??

Many years ago in my military life I was on shore leave and witnessed a guy drugged to the eyeballs abusing 2 cops...

He charged at them wielding a knife...

After 2 shots centre mass he was STILL advancing...:eek:

8 rounds later he was on the ground.

Bumped up junkies cannot feel the pain, removing a vital organ is unfortunately often a requirement.


I support the cops on this one... If my life was threatened and I couldnt avoid it, I'd plug holes in my attacker too...

And yes, I have done the training... Its not that easy....

Stop the BS conspiracy theories, 99% of the cops are good people doing a thankless and dangerous job...

Get real people - a 15 year old is just as dangerous as a 30 year old...
Modern teens have much less respect for life and property than their forefathers...

If this incident makes 2 or more other teens 'wake up to themselves' then this has had a positive effect for the benefit of the many.

I have spent a total of 6 years under arms. These years were spent in some of the world’s best holiday spots (don’t for get to pack your wife and your 5 grand stereo)
There are some simple rules that I learn very quickly

Never talk to a pre puberty with a gun if you do you are dead
Speak to an early teen once only
In there 20s judge there nervousness, if a bit hypo don’t talk, if quiet negotiate
Only people who were in there 30s or over would we take the time to negotiate or talk.

As for hand guns.
I don’t know what these cops are armed with but I suspect it would have been a Glock 9mm.in my opinion they are a cheep plastic bit of crap. Having said that they are light on the belt. I would how ever go to the 10mm and cut the weapon back to a double action.
A Glock is quite light. Light weapons are hard to aim. In the mid 90s I was carrying Colts 1910 pattern in 45 cal.
As for shooting in the leg. Well just look at a leg, its not very wide, it has a big bit of bone in the middle. So shoot the leg, hit the bone = amputate the leg ( the bone shatters doing much damage to the soft stuff around) or not hit the bone but hit the artery and the kids dead in 1 minute anyway!

A shot to the gut usually will stop a man ( in pain) but a shot to the chest usually will not, even a shot to the heart will not always stop a man ( a shot to the heart still leaves a response time of up to 90 seconds) only a shot to the head or base of the neck will guarantee to stop a man, and we don’t want the cops doing that.

I really Hate people who have comments to post, people who believe they are so correct in there comments, yet they have never been is such a situation have usually only a Hollywood knowledge if any of the real world and how these situations develop and pan out. The press pi55 me off because they don’t print every time a cop has been assaulted shot at stabbed etc. they just print some distorted rubbish to sell papers.

As for the Kid, taking any weapon to a cop = Darwin was correct
His parents, well I guest hay should have been that in the first place responsible parents.
For the cops, unfortunately there lives will come under a microscope there lives and the jobs as cops will never bee the same again and we the public will suffer because of that.

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Originally Posted by antvc

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

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I just showed this to an Ex Bobby mate of mine and he had some words to describe this comment that I cant post!!!

In the UK he was a Bobby then he became a member of their "First response Team" and armed team in a high speed van that attended when "Bobby with Batton and CapSpray" didnt work.. Or assailant was armed...

In this instance they would have been called, and the outcome the same...



Tazers dont drop people high off their mind.....

After 2 shots centre mass he was STILL advancing...:eek:

8 rounds later he was on the ground.

i have witnessed this often, more so with modern handguns

Bumped up junkies cannot feel the pain, removing a vital organ is unfortunately often a requirement.

Head neck or loss of blood



Stop the BS conspiracy theories, 99% of the cops are good people doing a thankless and dangerous job...

and thay should get paid more

Get real people - a 15 year old is just as dangerous as a 30 year old...
Modern teens have much less respect for life and property than their forefathers...
wrong a 15 year old is more dangerous, leack of morrals lack of general understanding etc
If this incident makes 2 or more other teens 'wake up to themselves' then this has had a positive effect for the benefit of the many

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Originally Posted by antvc

Don't police carry batons any more?

Three on one.
Give the warning, use pepper spray,tackle him from behind, use baton and tackle him, then the gun.
I feel sorry for police to have to deal with this but surely a few burly coppers should have been able to take down a teenager.

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Yes TWO cans, din't work,
I would not have gone near him, nor one of my men,
even with long arms.

One spray put me on my ass:mad:, let alone one can.

"a short extending baton"
I was thinking of those long wooden batons some of which have a short handle on the side.

Then if that didn't work , use the gun
I am not against the police using guns if they have to

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Originally Posted by antvc

"a short extending baton"
I was thinking of those long wooden batons some of which have a short handle on the side.

Then if that didn't work , use the gun
I am not against the police using guns if they have to

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The Korean Things, didnt work, often got taken of the cop and then used on the cop buy a bigger bad guy.

if a bullet will not stop a junky how do you think a bit of wood will do ???