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SubscriberIts now 3 years later and this is still going through the coroners court!
The Police involved have had this hanging over their heads for all that time and I would be surprised if the main 4 that are being 'judged' are all still in the job.
They were confronted by an armed male, he approached them knowing that they had firearms drawn and contrary to yelled instructions... seems like suicide to me.
I truely hope that common sense (the least common of all senses) prevails here, as if it doesnt then the next situation similar to this may end in someone other than the offender getting hurt because of the hesitation that may be caused.
As with all Police involved shootings I am willing to bet that they recommend that Police recieve more training on negotiating with armed offenders or with troubles youth or mentally unstable people or similar... (Maybe a similar recommendation would be that parents across the nation remind their kids that if they are armed and dont obey instructions from Police who are pointing weapons at them and yelling to put them down, then they are likely to be very badly hurt or killed?)
I hope its finalised and sorted before Christmas as this will still be tearing lives apart, police and their families and friends, the deceaseds family and friends...for a long while to come..
cheers & to all 'in the job' or related jobs, be safe
digger
Vic inquest into fatal police shooting Wednesday, November 23, 2011 » 10:53am
A Victorian coroner is set to decide whether police overreacted when they shot dead a 15-year-old.
Tyler Cassidy was killed when three police officers fired at him as he allegedly advanced on them armed with two knives during a standoff at a Northcote skate park in December 2008.
State Coroner Jennifer Coate will this morning deliver her finding from the seven-week inquest into his death in Melbourne.
Ian Freckelton SC, representing four police officers involved, told the inquest in March that Tyler had said he wanted to kill someone or be killed by police on the night of his death.
He said Tyler was 'out of control' and acting in a violent, threatening manner before the incident, and behaved in a deliberate way to draw attention to himself and encourage police to attend.
Lawyers for the Cassidy family strongly denied his death was a suicide and argued police were partly to blame for his death.
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As digger said more training but on the whole seems like a good report although the family may not think so
Wizard
It does not matter what the police would have done to subdue / apprehend this boy (tazer, tackling, shoot him in the leg, pepper spray etc) some one or group of people would have seen it as an act of excess force.
Most police officer say that in close combat scenarios, a suspect with a knife is more of a threat and dangerous than one with a gun.
I saw fotage once of police confronting an armed suspect ( a knife i think)out side of the suspects home, one police officer was in the patrol car and another outside of the patrol car when the suspect charged the one police officer that was out of the car, the officer that was in the patrol car drove the patrol car between the suspect and the other police officer, knocking the suspect to the ground where the other officer was able to apprehend him. No serios injury came about to either officers or suspect but the outcry from the public was unbelievable saying that they used excess force to disarm / apprehend the suspect. Personally I thought the officer in the patrol car acted in most appropriate way.
Master
I'm glad the coroner has defended the police use of force. I hope they can begin to put this behind them (though it will never be forgotten). The officer who was being most directly threatened is the brother of a good mate; did a trip up Dargo way together a bit before the incident. Apart from all the sensible stuff posted in this thread by those who have real experience of this sort of thing, I would just like to say that I have great respect for this guy, and know that he is no cowboy - just a decent guy doing his best at a difficult job.
On a somewhat related note, I'm glad the police got their pay rise recently - but it would be nice if they also got more respect. (Now we need to see if nurses and teachers - two other important and often under-respected jobs) get any joy.
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