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    interesting----
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    Great Australian Firewall dead in the water?

    Posted in Government, 2nd March 2009 09:13 GMT
    The final nail in the coffin of the great Australian Firewall was hammered home last week when independent Senator Nick Xenophon withdrew support for the measure. This takes the voting arithmetic in the Australian Upper House beyond the point of no-return, as there are now 43 votes stacked up against the proposal with just 33 in favour.
    Under the Australian constitution, tied votes are decided in the negative: so the Labour Government now needs an about-turn of Damascene proportions, both by the Green Party and by Senator Xenophon, to reverse its now inevitable defeat on this issue.
    The bad news for the firewall’s sponsor, Communications Minister Senator Stephen Conroy began with a statement by the Opposition's communications spokesman, Nick Minchin, that his party has taken independent legal advice and now believes the government cannot implement a mandatory filtering regime without passing new laws. He said: "legislation of some sort will almost certainly be required".
    At the same time, Senator Nick Xenophon, who had previously suggested he might support a filter that blocked online gambling websites has now come out firmly against it. A spokesman for the Senator told the Reg that he will not be voting for it in any form. The Senator is concerned that the proposed measures will slow the internet and are likely to lead to over-blocking.
    Instead of putting in place a blanket censorship regime the Government should instead put the money towards educating parents on how to supervise their kids online and tackling "pedophiles through cracking open those peer-to-peer groups".
    In a statement to the Brisbane Times, the Senator added: "I'm very skeptical that the Government is going down the best path on this".
    "I commend their intentions but I think the implementation of this could almost be counter-productive and I think the money could be better spent”.
    The only hope for the scheme now is if the Government is able to find an opposing legal viewpoint that rules it does not need to pass new laws to implement its ban.
    However, recent polls commissioned by online activist group GetUp, show just 5 percent and 4 percent respectively believe that internet filtering should be in the hands of ISPs or Government.
    Meanwhile, the other joker in the pack – the Australian Sex Party – seems set for a serious grudge match up in Queensland. Although too late to register candidates under the Sex Party banner, it looks as though they will be putting forward their own candidates to run as independents.
    This has brought down the wrath of the Australian Christian Lobby (ACL), whose Managing Director, Jim Wallace has said (pdf): "The Australian Sex Party exists to represent the interests of businesses who make money from the exploitation and degradation of women".
    "If Labor, the LNP and the Greens believe women should be respected and are concerned about the enormous damage caused by pornography and prostitution then they should be demonstrating this by having nothing to do with the Sex Party or its affiliated candidates". This is likely to be an interesting election as despite the ever-present snigger factor when discussing the role of the Sex Party, Queensland is recognised as far more reactionary in matters of sex than the rest of Australia. The Sex Party will therefore be focusing on a range of broadly civil liberty related issues such as censorship, sex education, legal abortion and gay marriage.
    Sex Party Convenor, Fiona Patten, said: "Queensland’s censorship laws are far stricter than any other state in Australia and are the same as laws on erotica in totalitarian states like China and Iran. The directors of large public companies like PBL and Adultshop.com go to jail in Queensland for selling products they can freely distribute in other states and to the rest of the world".
    Referring to reports that some religious schools in Queensland are teaching the virgin birth as a biological event, creationism and even that "God kills a kitten every time someone masturbates", she added that Queensland was in urgent need of a standardised sex education curriculum.
    "Labor, the Conservative parties and even the Greens in Queensland are ignoring these travesties because they don’t want to offend the churches". Queensland has the second highest rate of teenage pregnancies in the country, after Tasmania.
    Queensland was the only state in Australia to discriminate against gay and lesbian people around the age of consent making it two years older than the age for heterosexuals (16 years).
    The Sex Party was born, in large measure, out of a reaction to what it saw as the Labour Party’s anti-sex agenda: it would be hugely ironic if Labour cannot now pass its laws on censoring the internet, at the same time as seeing a pro-sex party gaining its first seats in the Federal legislature. ®
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    It seems that the Senate numbers are against it, but I would not count on that stopping the government - they are likely to do a deal on some other front to get enough votes, the same as has been done in the past by both major parties; this is how the minor parties and independents gain so much influence.

    The above posts cover pretty much all the problems, but I will point out another couple of points - the government is proposing to use blacklists from overseas to add to its own, including the UK one that cut off a lot of people in the UK from Wikiepedia recently. It is worth noting that the image that got Wikipedia on the black list would have probably been rated 'G' in Australia (the image was not very different to some of Henson's rated thus), and raises the point that these overseas black lists are almost certain to use different criteria to those here (whatever those are - they are secret). This event further points out the problem of a single page being banned placing a whole site out of reach.

    Another point not mentioned - with a requirement to opt out rather than in, how long before the people who do opt out will find the fact that they have done so is used against them in job applications, child custody cases etc? And as Ron points out, expecting the list to remain confidential is rather naive.

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    Good points JD.

    Is there anyone here pro-filter, and if so, why? I'm not looking to shout people down, just interested in differing opinions.

    Note that being anti-kiddie porn and hate material is NOT the same as being pro-filter, and despite what others say being against a filter DOES NOT mean you support that sort of filth.

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    As I (and many others) predicted last October - the "blacklist" was leaked to wikileaks.org today (see whirlpool.net.au). As expected only a relatively small part of the list is reported to contain illegal material, much of it is distasteful but certainly not illegal, and some are neither - including a boarding kennels, a dentist, and other similar innocuous sites.

    Note that wikileaks itself is already on the blacklist because they also published the Danish blacklist.

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    If the government throws some water at the murray Xenophon will vote for it ! I dont agree with with them telling me what i can and cant look at but then again there is a lot of shyte out there that shouldnt be seen by anyone, it is quite easy to find outragous material by accident- more often than not when i search for info on something, i fine 100's or 1000's of pages of sh$t i didnt want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    If the government throws some water at the murray Xenophon will vote for it ! I dont agree with with them telling me what i can and cant look at but then again there is a lot of shyte out there that shouldnt be seen by anyone, it is quite easy to find outragous material by accident- more often than not when i search for info on something, i fine 100's or 1000's of pages of sh$t i didnt want.
    Don't think that's going to change.



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    Following the leak of the blacklist to Wikileaks, Conroy claimed it was not the actual ACMA list, and also said he would get the AFP to track down and prosecute the whistleblower. (Being a bit contradictory?)

    In response, Wikileaks now claims to have received yesterday an updated list, and have also threatened to prosecute Conroy under Swedish law for attempting to track down a confidential media source, and say they will seek his extradition. (Australia will not extradite someone charged with something that is not an offence in Australian law, but not all countries would take this view, and it could cramp his overseas travel plans if he is put on Interpol's wanted list!)

    Also it emerged yesterday that the ACMA decisions on what to put on the list are apparently made by a single person with no discussion, solely on the basis of a complaint from the public. There is no appeal, the website owner will not be advised they are on the list, and since the list is secret there is no way of knowing whether your site is on the list. If the site is hosted in Australia, the hosting company (not the website owner) will be issued with a take down notice, which if not acted on will incur a fine of $11,000 a day. But many Australian businesses have their websites hosted overseas.

    Again, see whirlpool (or almost any IT industry news site!) for the latest.

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    Good update JD.

    How anyone thinks this filter is even a remotely good idea is beyond me.

    I wonder what Fake Stephen Conroy will say next ;-)

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    congrats to the OP.If this topic was debated in parliament with the same clear dialogue we may understand things a little better.
    I just tried to access wikileaks.org and it times out.
    Did find this < Australian Government adds Wikileaks to banned website list | News | TechRadar UK > interesting.
    Also < WikiLeaks Exposes Australian Web Blacklist | Threat Level from Wired.com >.
    It's amazing how things get so stuffed up when govs try to force their views on a mixed population like aus.
    Google is fun,typed "ford wreckers" in once and found more replies for porn then wreckers.Not hard to sort,just look at address b4 clicking.
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    And so it begins

    Critical Blogs to be tracked.

    "The Federal Government will begin trawling blog sites as part of a new media monitoring strategy, with official documents singling out a website critical of the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy"

    READ MORE HERE
    This is a sign of things to come !

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