Thread: Would you Aussies put up with this?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

If only it were that simple.

As for Chinese quality, every thing is made to a price. China have the ability to make goods as well as any country. China does not make product in the hope it will sell, EVERYTHING is made to order and specification; a specification nominated by the company ordering the goods.

As for pac brands and their moving to China. They are not moving to China. They are already there and have been for years. They also have about 500 Aussie workers in China. Their job is to run the factories and make sure the quality is up to stracth..
Just shows How much the Uions are idots and for Idiots by saying they will stop Pac Brands from send the machines out there. They don't want / need them anyway


Personally i would buy from a company like pac brands where the profit and money in the company stays in Aus and not like Holden which is about as Australian as Barrack Obama. You buy a Holden and it goes straight to America same as Ford. I used to Live in Southampton (UK) By the docks and saw hundreds and hundreds of Holden Barina and fonteras going to the docks. Headed for here. They were made in Luton By Vauxhall for Holden,
You might as well buy a Aus made Toyota , Nissan , Ford, or Mitubitish . They are all just as Australian as Hodern.

Originally Posted by blue thunder

So we specify using lead paint on toys for kids,Do we specify using using a lower grade steel or metal for hose clamps,do we specify using a water soluable glue on work boots,Do we specify a lower standard than what we recieve, NO in short it was not about buying chinese products it is about keeping jobs in AUSTRALIA. What would you do if it was you that was told that you redundant because your boss thinks he has done a great job (running the business into the ground) that he deserves a pay rise and the only way he will get it is by sacking YOU.A lot of people out there would love to take a pay rise for the hard work and pride they put into the job they are doing.

A specification should stipulate what can or cannot be used, how and to what standard the item should be manufactured and any include safety related issues.

Any reputable Australian Company will have a representative at the factory and/or QA procedures in place.

Only the 'El Cheapo' retailers fail to do this. Chinese factories will manufacture any thing you want, if you want a two wheel drive Land Rover with square wheels for $5,000 they can deliver. You get what you pay for. ($5 grand of rubbish in this case)

A lot of the cheap stuff made in China or India is not made to a specification writen by the importer. The cheap stuff is bought on buying trips by importers that know little about the manufacturing and can just see the dollars that they can make by importing stuff my the container load and selling it at markets and on the internet or for the sale bins at Bunnings.

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Mate 1800 people that build socks and jocks in Aussie just lost their job,third world undies for us now on!!!!!!!
Andrew

Real blokes don't wear jocks, & who wears socks with thongs?

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Mate 1800 people that build socks and jocks in Aussie just lost their job,third world undies for us now on!!!!!!!
Andrew

Yeah contry to what the news have you belive.
These jobs loses start in 12 months and go on untill 18 months time.

Originally Posted by XSiV

I don't believe I said that at all.

All I am trying to say is it is about time we as the public decided enough is enough and made a stand.

Exactly, and that is why a general "Black Ban" and refusing to buy Bonds or King Gee is the absolute LAST THING that the remaining 7000 workers need. If we are that passionate about keeping Aussie jobs, we should be out there buying every last bit of King Gee on the shelves, go buy your self the next 5 years worth of clothes and pay full retail and don't haggle over the price. Make a stand and declare yourself in favour of Aussie jobs.

Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen. People are going to have a grudge and buy Bisley clothes (Made in China for a Chinese company) just to spite Bonds. The company will cease trading, go bankrupt and sack the remaining 7000 employees. Naturally, this will all be the boards fault.

Originally Posted by 29dinosaur

Shinz - just as a matter of interest are Tusk jeans still made and available in NZ?
I used to order 3-4 pairs every few years - good value, made in NZ cf anything from Australia which were made in Asia).

Not sure, haven't seen them for a bit but CRT used to have them, I'll check them out & let you know.


Its been an interesting thread, & I was surprised to see that you guys seem to have been done to just the same as us. I emailed the relevant minister & local member & got the bug letter in reply. About what I'd expect. Theres probably not too much will happen short term but it might lead to a bit of pressure on the military procurement types down the track.

Re Stuff from China & their quality, yes they can produce stuff as good as anyone. No I don't trust their quality control & never will unless I can be sure it was supervised by a Kiwi or Aussie inspector. Think I'm paranoid?
1/ check out the Fontera/San Lu scandel, melamine in baby milk powder.
2/ 4X4 tyres sold here in NZ, produced in China for a US outfit, recalled in the US for no gum strip between the plies in total defiance of the specs in place. No recall in NZ.
3/ years ago I went out with a lass who'd done QA work for a fishing co. that got stuff done in China. She said they would cut corners to save costs & cheat the client everytime her back was turned. Hard to say if its the result of China under communism or a national characteristic. I'd sooner believe the former

Three strikes, its enough for me. Like most, I can't afford to not buy Chinese but if I can find a reasonably priced alternative which appears to be of adequate quality I'll go that way.
Steve

Originally Posted by blue thunder

All that people want is for the jobs to stay here,...... The problem lies with the head honchos if they were doing there jobs properly than the company would be able to keep jobs here and not go off shore. 37% wiped of shares and straight into the pockets of ceo's yeah they are doing a fantastic job, not.

Yes, but if the Head Honchos suggested paying Aussie workers the $3 or $4 an hour that their competitors pay their staff in China, would the daily papers write them up as doing their jobs properly?

And how exactly does the amount the share price falls go straight into the CEO's pocket? That's money's gone, evaporated, lost forever. No-one has taken it. The value of the Company has changed. If I buy a freshly-baked loaf of bread for $1, I've got a bargain deal off the Baker. If I choose to buy 20,000 loaves and the Baker gives me a discounted price of $17,500, that's an even better bargain. If I choose to sell these 3 months down the track and the best price I can get on the open market is $2 for the whole lot from a Duck farm, does that make the Baker a theiving so-and-so who ripped me off?