300 tdi Fuel Economy - snake oil??

Bigmark · 2nd April 2009, 08:41 AM

Hey Brian and andy, hate to tell you this but there are no metal particles in fuel so its not going to work- in fact you would have less fuel economy due to the extra weight and stupidity. I mean how could you actually come to the point where you pay someone for this sort of thing- you are the type of people that salesman like or are you the salesman.
Come on are you the Smart salesman or the stupid consumer.

**101RRS** · 2nd April 2009, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Bigmark

Come on are you the Smart salesman or the stupid consumer.

Definitely not the former as no one is convinced.

Garry

**spudboy** · 2nd April 2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by brianwood

Thanks too Larns, appreciate the welcome.
Yeah was talking to my wife last night about the burning at the stake I got. She just laughed. The other thing I didn't mention which is different is I've started putting Wynns EDT in my tank (and NO I'm not selling this either, blimey)
But I don't think the Wynns stuff is supposed to increase economy. Any ideas???

Hey Brian - don't give up! This site is full of sceptics (I am one) but the info you'll get here on Land Rovers (and a lot of other topics) is excellent. Just an unfortunate early topic to be posting

I see you have another post about your Disco so am guessing you are a real LR owner.

In a week this topic will have died and everyone will have moved on.

Keep posting.

Cheers
David

**brianwood** · 2nd April 2009, 09:02 AM

I'm probably wasting my time trying to reason with someone like bigmark...
But you'd be a fool to think that magnetism only affects metals
Ever heard of MRI? Magnetic Resonance Imaging is used by health professionals to scan a patient surrounded by a strong magnet. Most people I know aren't made of metal...
And that's just one example

**spudboy** · 2nd April 2009, 09:05 AM

MRI works on us because of the hydrogen atoms in our body and their propensity to line up when subjected to a magnetic field.....

**brianwood** · 2nd April 2009, 09:10 AM

Thanks spudboy.
I'm guessing the same hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon chain (ie diesel) have a similar propensity to polarise when subjected to strong magnetic fields???

**spudboy** · 2nd April 2009, 09:12 AM

Best you don't go there!!! Let this one die

**isuzurover** · 2nd April 2009, 10:00 AM

Brian, a 1L/100 difference (10%) could easily be due to the placebo effect.

It is claimed these magnets ionise the molecules. This is physically impossible, you need ionising radiation to do that.

**brianwood** · 2nd April 2009, 10:05 AM

Thanks Ben,
Am happy to accept that.
I admit the sprook about these products is very unscientific, and the question left unanswered is: if they work, why don't cars come out with them already???
Interestingly, they claim that gas burns a different colour when magnets are placed around the gasline. What accounts for this I wonder? I haven't tried it, so don't know... Be a good one to test on a Bunsen burner in high-school

**isuzurover** · 2nd April 2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by brianwood

Thanks spudboy.
I'm guessing the same hydrogen atoms in a hydrocarbon chain (ie diesel) have a similar propensity to polarise when subjected to strong magnetic fields???

Brian, bringing up MRI is a great help to DISPROVE any such device.

MRI's work by applying a VERY STRONG magnetic field (think 1000x these magnets) to re-align the "spin" of H atoms within selected molecules. The instant the field is removed, EVERYTHING RETUNS TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.

That is how MRIs can produce images - the megnetic field is pulsed, and the (temporary) realignment produces a measurable radio frequency emission.

So even by the time the fuel got to your fuel pump, any slight change would have been lost.

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