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    I think it absolutely *should* cover recovery points. They're a very important part of such a recovery.

    Also, a recommendation may be to use lower-capacity straps. I cannot see why people want to use even an 8,000kg strap to recover. The strap should be a weak link, much better to have the strap break than snap off something metal. Having tested recovery loads I can say that if you bog a 4WD to its axles, don't dig it out and snatch it out without engine recovery you're looking at around 1.1 the car's mass to recover. That's nowhere near 8000kg. You could add more for uphill/sticky mud but fact is the recovery forces, if done right, should be nowhere near the car's mass thus you don't need very high capacity straps.

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    Very sad for the parents, especially the father, my condolences to him and his family.

    This is one reason I've never been a fan of using the bullbar as a snatch recovery point.

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    Not the first time a bull bar has come off in a recovery either.

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    The Nissan Patrol attached a snatch strap to the Landcruiser that pulled part of the roo-bar off the vehicle.
    Lets not all jump to conclusions, whilst this is a terrible incident, and would be devastating for ALL involved, we are not really in too much of a position to comment without all the facts.

    Was it the bull bar that became detached or part of the bar, two very different scenarios.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    Was it the bull bar that became detached or part of the bar, two very different scenarios.
    Very good point. Perhaps it was something on the bull bar like those HiLift rings we discussed earlier.

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    Hell's Bells (I nearly wrote something else!).

    That's terrible. My sincere sympathy to the family and any others involved.
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    Very sad indeed.

    Its hard for some people to comprehend the severity of a simple recovery.

    I have been unfortunate yet at the same time fortunate enough to see some recoverys go bad, and I think it was seeing all this at a younger age (from safe distances) I learnt the safety aspect pretty fast.

    Unfortunately for some people they dont realise this until its too late.

    I always find myself telling people to get back, my missus for example is only new to the sport, and on the springs trip with the GCLRO we did a fairly basic recovery on a hill and I had to tell her three times to stay clear and was just constantly keeping a look out for her.

    I know I have ranted on about this before, and I know in some cases even with correct safety things can, and do go wrong, but most the time you just have to be 469% aware of the people around.

    Again very sad indeed.
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    I read this yesterday....I have a 12 yr old daughter....plus 3 other children. If anything, things like this will only make me more vigilant as I am sure others will be too. So very sad,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Not the first time a bull bar has come off in a recovery either.
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    Too right Max

    Many revoveries are accidents just waiting to happen, it is a wonder and pure luck that more injuries don't happen.

    When you see footage of some people's "recoveries" it makes you're spine shudder!

    Sometimes even being in the car is not a safe location. So just the 2 drivers and everyone else well out of dangers reach.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    Lets not all jump to conclusions, whilst this is a terrible incident, and would be devastating for ALL involved, we are not really in too much of a position to comment without all the facts.

    Was it the bull bar that became detached or part of the bar, two very different scenarios.
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    As you and others have suggested it is a dreadfull event for the family, whether you have children of a similar age or not.

    I wish these reports would be more explicit about the actual "part of the bullbar" but I guess that's the nature of news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    Lets not all jump to conclusions, whilst this is a terrible incident, and would be devastating for ALL involved, we are not really in too much of a position to comment without all the facts.

    Was it the bull bar that became detached or part of the bar, two very different scenarios.


    Martyn
    and it is not stated where they attached to the bullbar so did leverage come into play, or did they use a recovery point on the bar, or what type of bar. There are so many variables.

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