Thread: Vandals - low life scum!

Originally Posted by justinc

Our suburb used to be a good one, has really gone down hill since we moved in.

Fixed it for you JC.

Originally Posted by Disco_owner

You wonder what would be going thru these Society's reject's minds NOTHING because they have no "Brains"

This is precisely the problem. People who feel rejected by society, who feel they have failed, don't care about society. They reckon society stinks and they are just striking back in any way they can. The higher the number that are alienated from the mainstream of society the greater the incidence of this sort of thing.

Which doesn't change the sheer utter frustration of having something you worked hard for wrecked just because someone wants to take out his frustration with society out on something!

So what's the answer? Two things:

• Do what we can to have the lowest number of people alienated from society.
• Have effective law enforcement.

Both are necessary.

Just enforcing the law without engaging everyone as much as possible in the normal life of society will just fill up the jails and not much else. It might make us feel a bit better for a while, but not in the long term because it will keep on happening.

Just trying to engage people without effective law enforcement will lead to anarchy. People naturally want to do the wrong thing and it is law that limits this. You only have read history of groups that operated outside the law to see this. They had to introduce their own form of law to ensure their own survival.

But my heart goes out to the victims of vandals. Its just so heartbreaking and frustrating, especially if you've put your heart and soul into building something and someone just wrecks it. Or if you've saved for so long and you've finally got it and a week later its wrecked or damaged.

Willem

Gather them all up and send them to me..........and in ten years or so I will send them back ...all upstanding law abiding citizens, who appreciate and respect other people's hard work required to purchase their property.

There hasn't been a decent flogging since 1898 when they got rid of the cat'o'ninetails

Unfortunately most of this attitude begins from childhood. I remember years ago I went to Sydney to pick up a motorbike. Got it to my cousins place to go over and these kids, maybe around 14, were talking about bikes and how they were getting a bike soon, free of charge. They had a grin on their face too. I turned around and said to them "Get you own bike with your own money and hard work, not from someone elses!" Of course, they didnt want to hear that so took off.

I reckon this has to take the cake as far as idiots of the week are concerned:



MICHAEL MILNES, POLICE REPORTER

August 23, 2009 12:50pm

LOUTS went on the rampage through the eastern suburbs early this morning, tipping over parked cars onto their sides and roofs.

Between 2am and 3am this morning three small cars in Paradise, Campbelltown and Rostrevor were overturned, police said.

A fourth car was found on its side in Cadna Ave, Felixstow around 10.30am.

All the cars were damaged in the incidents and police are asking that any witnesses call BankSA Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Originally Posted by willem

This is precisely the problem. People who feel rejected by society, who feel they have failed, don't care about society. They reckon society stinks and they are just striking back in any way they can. The higher the number that are alienated from the mainstream of society the greater the incidence of this sort of thing.

Which doesn't change the sheer utter frustration of having something you worked hard for wrecked just because someone wants to take out his frustration with society out on something!

So what's the answer? Two things:

• Do what we can to have the lowest number of people alienated from society.
• Have effective law enforcement.

Both are necessary.

Just enforcing the law without engaging everyone as much as possible in the normal life of society will just fill up the jails and not much else. It might make us feel a bit better for a while, but not in the long term because it will keep on happening.

Just trying to engage people without effective law enforcement will lead to anarchy. People naturally want to do the wrong thing and it is law that limits this. You only have read history of groups that operated outside the law to see this. They had to introduce their own form of law to ensure their own survival.

But my heart goes out to the victims of vandals. Its just so heartbreaking and frustrating, especially if you've put your heart and soul into building something and someone just wrecks it. Or if you've saved for so long and you've finally got it and a week later its wrecked or damaged.

Willem

I don't feel sorry for the scums just because they feel socity has failed them one way or another doesn't give them the right to strike back at the socity or go on a rampage and distroy someone's hard earned property.

That is a BIG Cop-out.

Everyman is reposnsible for their own action , if you feel you need help then reach out and someone will try help you . I have known some of the types where I lived at the previous burb and some of them came from good homes.

My Calais was knocked off twice parked in front of my flat , taken for joy rides, trashed and then dumped a few streets away , stereo pulled out , speakers, miorrors smashed ,seats slashed.... need I go on...

They never has any intention to put any good back into the community.
I was even approchaed several times when I was at the local shopping centre to buy them grog from local bottle shop .....you can imagine what my reaction would be ......... a lot of the time they just got drunk in local park on saturday nights.

Its not a matter of 'feeling sorry for the scums', its a matter of how we can make society work better. That's all.

Sitting back and abusing people because they see and do things differently than you and do things you don't approve of is is not all that useful if you aren't prepared to do something about it. What I am suggesting is that we try to structure society in such a way that the problem is minimised. Make the system work for as many people as possible and you will have less problems. That is pretty obvious, anyway.

Every man is responsible for his own actions. Agreed! That's why we need the law, so that that accountability is real.

But if you shut down all the bush tracks in Australia you will have a lot of very unhappy Land Rover (and other 4WD) owners, some of whom will go and make their own tracks in the bush as a form of protest. Vandalism of the bush! You can make harsher laws with harsher penalties if you like, or you can open the bush tracks up and remove the need for protest. This is what I am saying. These people have not engaged with society properly and take their frustrations out on other people's property. If we can structure society in such a way that they can engage better than they do now they may well not find the need to take their frustrations out on other people's property.

Some of the growing problems in society are related to injustice. There is unfairness in the system. If we can identify these unfairnesses and fix them the problems caused by them will ease.

Some of the problems are caused by the destruction of human value, which is why the suicide rate (which is just about the ultimate 'vandalism!) is so high. People are too easily seen as of little value. The 'green' movement tends in this direction by making the environment more important than people. Free abortion and euthanasia also tend in this direction. If people feel they of little value then they will treat others (and their possessions) as of little value. The matter of justice mentioned above also comes in here.

This is just a sample of some of the issues that we can fix to make society a better place and not alienate some members of our society. and, in the process, reduce the incidence of vandalism. Which is what we are after, isn't it?

Willem

i am sorry we have spent billions on poor people and disadvantaged since the 1960's and now we are spending billions more to fix bad housing or more correctly housing destroyed by the inhabitants and who now complain about bad housing.

I am sick and tired of wasting tax payers money on social disadvantaged and the misfits they clearly don't have any personal pride or ability to manage their lives properly and don't respect anyone, even their own families given the enormous statistics of alcohol and drug fuelled family abuse and rape.

It's time we changed tracks and put the poor and disadvantaged into organised camps and life skill train them about getting up, getting washed and dressed, eating breakfast going to school going to work, doing house and garden maintenance and until they can pass these life skill course don't let them out to mix with society in general.

People look down on them because they are losers and will continue to be losers until we stop the hand out mentality and make them work for what they get.

And young people who want to vandalise, drink grog, use drugs, steal for living the solution is simple, cane the bastards and put them to work on chained road gangs until the bastards earn enough self respect so they can graduate to the work camps and get life skills before they are also released back into society.

Stuff the sentences and the social work orders and community orders, make their detention indeterminated and based soley on their own behaviour and attitude, no change no release no privileges.

Its simple really throw the social bleeding heart rule book we been following since the 1960's in the bin the hippie revolution of love and peace didn't work and we need to return to something a little bit more basic as that what they understand and respect.

Politicians State and Federal are simply adding to the problem with their attitude of society is to blame and money can fix things, it isn't and it won't be fixed by throwing money at the problem caused by bad lifestyle decisions made by human beings