Nearly eight-in-10 want city 4WD ban

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27th August 2009, 08:45 AM
Bigbjorn

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Originally Posted by willem

This is a fair comment. Taxing the distance a vehicle drives disadvantages those who live in country areas and in outer suburbs. Given that the outer suburbs are usually the areas where the battlers live, this ends up being a regressive tax that taxes the less well off end of society. That is not fair.

This will also lead to a greater level of urbanisation when we, in our huge and empty country, should be aiming for decentralisation.

Willem

Last I heard, Australia was still a free country and you choose where you want to live and accept the advantages, disadvantages, costs, etc. when you make the decision.

You are assuming that those who live in the outer suburbs are forced to travel to the inner suburbs. This is again a personal choice. If you wish to work in the CBD and don't like the travel, why not live near and save yourself money and stress. My inner suburb is surrounded and divided by three major roads. Morning and night these roads are bumper to bumper with CBD workers travelling to and from work. Yet the suburbs they are travelling to and from are well served by fast ferries, and air-conditioned trains and buses. Why do they drive?

Outer suburbs nowadays frequently have better services than the inner areas. Large shopping centres, transport hubs, government services are all out in the 'burbs now. I don't like travelling to outer suburbs for parts and services because this is where industry has moved to. But I accept this because I like living where I do.
27th August 2009, 08:48 AM
Lotz-A-Landies

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Originally Posted by solmanic

How does that fit in with the "ban 4WDs in the city" argument? I think it has more to do with the "make any old **** up to stir up interest in a non-existent story and sell advertising space" idea.

So you're suggesting that News Ltd and Fox News is all fair and balanced reportage? I hardly think so.

Although on the "sell anything I can take out of context and hype up" we agree.

However I still ask "would you take any information you received from a News Ltd source, as factual and un-biased"?

Diana
27th August 2009, 08:53 AM
rocket scientist

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Originally Posted by spudboy

Gawd :mad:

I'd like to ban city Sunday drivers from coming out into the country and getting in my way. They have no idea how to drive out in the country and should be BANNED, I say.

How much chance have I got - bugger all.

I'm with you .
City drivers in the country are the main cause of accidents in our area.
They have no idea.
Then we have foreign drivers on top of that who have absolutely no respect for our road rules.
27th August 2009, 08:55 AM
Lotz-A-Landies

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

I think the ideal would be to ban ALL vehicles from CBD's

Provide outer city parking, upgrade public transport into the city from outer suburbs, encourage pushbikes (rental or free to use council provided) and walking, and get the people using their legs again :D

So would that include plumbers, electricians, furniture vans, courier vans, taxi's and buses?

I can just see a plumber riding a pushie, towing a new hot water service and carrying his tool kit from the outer suburbs. Although I think you weren't including all those items, but it still leaves the 4WD's the tradies may be using in the city.
27th August 2009, 08:59 AM
one_iota

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

I think the ideal would be to ban ALL vehicles from CBD's

Provide outer city parking, upgrade public transport into the city from outer suburbs, encourage pushbikes (rental or free to use council provided) and walking, and get the people using their legs again :D

And then there will be a debate about the rights of parents to use those monster all-terrain strollers on the footpaths intimidating and obstructing the ordinary pedestrian. :)
27th August 2009, 09:03 AM
Lotz-A-Landies

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Originally Posted by rocket scientist

I'm with you .
City drivers in the country are the main cause of accidents in our area.
They have no idea.
Then we have foreign drivers on top of that who have absolutely no respect for our road rules.

I think the word you are looking for is oblivious! More to the point they are more concentrated in the city, last night I was returning from Windsor to my home coming up to the Richmond Rd right turn onto the M7 I observed a people-mover drive up to the intersection without hesitating and against the red arrow, turned across the oncoming traffic and up the on-ramp then onto the M7 no blinkers at any time and into the RH (fast) lane and sat at 80 KPH with car after car having to pass on the LHS.

This person was most definitely oblivious to everything that was happening outside their windows.

Diana
27th August 2009, 09:17 AM
dobbo

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Originally Posted by Numpty's Missus

What parent is going to lug a monster all-terrain stroller on a train into the city? :D:D:D

Perhaps a parent with twins or two kids close together.

The only way I can see it happening without the government being discrimitory against 4wd owners is to ban all vehicles over a certain weight, then the question will be how will they service the city without trucks? Perhaps they can bring back the horse and cart to collect garbage.
27th August 2009, 09:54 AM
spudboy

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Originally Posted by seano87

So because I don't live in an inner-city environment, I deserve to pay more for rego simply because for me to do something simple like drive to the shops it happens to be up to a 50km round trip??

Basing it on km driven in any way is the complete opposite to fair IMO.

Seano

I don't see how you can say it is not fair. Someone had to build the 50Km of road that you use. Every time you use it, you wear it out a little bit. It needs maintenance (grading, road markers, signs, whatever) to keep it safe.

It may be that you get a small engined car to drive to the shops, which will be significantly cheaper to run than a Landie, and save the 4x4 for when you need it. It would cause a lot of people to pay more attention to the MPG their car gets, and this would reduce Australia's import burden over time.

If there is no Rego and CTP, then it becomes much more feasable to have a cheap run around in addition to your main car, although from a resources point of view (and capital tied up in vehicles) this does seem rather wasteful.
27th August 2009, 10:00 AM
solmanic

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

So you're suggesting that News Ltd and Fox News is all fair and balanced reportage?

No.

I was just suggesting that your comment seemed at odds with News Ltd's right-wing agenda since, according to the media, aren't all 4WD owners supposed to be right-wing, redneck, racist yobbos or rich, stuck-up, snobs with an inferiority complex? ie. the kind of people who read and listen to News Ltd & Fox?
27th August 2009, 10:13 AM
waynep

I'd be happy to sit a special licence to have a 4WD - they do it for boats etc. so why not 4WDs ?

Define a 4WD sensibly - maybe as something that has lo range and over a certain weight.

It seems to me a waste of the world's resources putting all the transfer cases, extra diffs etc in vehicles that will never use them.

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