GO THE HOLDENS ----BATHURST

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There is no such thing as an XC GT.

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I bet there are some now!LOL

Just as there are more XY/XA/XB GTs than were ever built, not to mention the "declared" copies.

Because of the insurance problems Ford named the XC the GXL but the 351 (5.8) was much slower due to emission controls.

I did a small study while I was Options manager in Ford and found over 10% of all XB GTs were initially fleet cars in the Ford fleet. The sales of GTs were never great because of insurance. They thought they might get around it by making the 5.8 an option on the GXL.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

And if Chrysler had achieved greater sales volume, they may have been able to fit 4 speed transmissions without affecting their obligations under the Australian content rules.

And if the Ford factory team hadn't cheated by using a Firestone racing tyre that would not fit on private entries the result could have been different. As it was, the cheat tyres failed thus saving Ford the embarassment of multiple protests from all and sundry.

And if clouds rained money we would all be Warren Buffets.

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True!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fusion

I think everyone has already established that ! several times in this thread . But their are still ford fans and still holden fans . And as long as they have the blue oval or the lion on the grill ford and holden fans will follow it .

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Yeah Mick, I know....

Blind faith :cool:


I work the other way, having had a smattering of both brands...

If they are in my "scope" I pick the best of whatever the 2 brands are offering at the time...

To blindly buy a vehicle because of the brand, when it doesnt suit the needs of the occupants nor the task its for is just silly.

For example: I love my Landy, it suits my use, and needs and better with my use than a Toyota or Nissan - at this time.

However, the new Triton has a practical suitability to my upcoming use, and may get the nod in the future.

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Originally Posted by Tank

Only reason Holden has won more races than Ford is because when Holden was getting it's arse whipped in the early 70's good old Australian GM bought in from Pommy land a 4 cylinder small car, the Vauxhall (Torana) and stuffed in a hot six cylinder, .

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They even stuffed that up. i have seen many a HB HC Viva wip the XU1 hands down easy. just ask lotus or even SAAB

for those that doint know, Vauxhall Viva was the pommy car that holden turn into the torana. but because of that Australia missed out on a great car.
The Viva came with a slant 61 deg 4 banger, same as a bedford van. BG 4 speed gearbox Salisbury diff. available in 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 and 2.3. there was a 1.2 but that was a different motor, still raced in the chevetts with great success rallying.

the 61 deg, change pistons, re grind the cam, heaters and a couple of 45mm Webber's lighten the fly wheel = 180hp old money in the 2.3, done in the back yard. do it in the shop 200 was quite easy. and the viva original shell was quite a bit lighter than the torana.

its the same block that was originally used by lotus up untill thay fitted the V8. so 2.3 slant 4 turbo = 350 hp that was in 1990, road trim 290 hp

NB thats british HP not Jap HP

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Originally Posted by clean32

They even stuffed that up. i have seen many a HB HC Viva wip the XU1 hands down easy. just ask lotus or even SAAB

for those that doint know, Vauxhall Viva was the pommy car that holden turn into the torana. but because of that Australia missed out on a great car.
The Viva came with a slant 61 deg 4 banger, same as a bedford van. BG 4 speed gearbox Salisbury diff. available in 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 and 2.3. there was a 1.2 but that was a different motor, still raced in the chevetts with great success rallying.

the 61 deg, change pistons, re grind the cam, heaters and a couple of 45mm Webber's lighten the fly wheel = 180hp old money in the 2.3, done in the back yard. do it in the shop 200 was quite easy. and the viva original shell was quite a bit lighter than the torana.

its the same block that was originally used by lotus up untill thay fitted the V8. so 2.3 slant 4 turbo = 350 hp that was in 1990, road trim 290 hp

NB thats british HP not Jap HP

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That engine was available here in Toranas in 1600cc form, and in Bedford CF vans in 2 litre form. It was a heap of s%*t. Like many UK/Euro engines it simply did not like being bounced around in the heat, dust, and distances of Australia.

Originally it was designed as a V8 and GM told Vauxhall to forget about it. If they wanted V8's then plenty of options were available ex USA. Vauxhall saved some of the expense of development by converting it to a four.

The reason the Viva shell was lighter was that the shell had to be reinforced to withstand Australian conditions and owners.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

And if Chrysler had achieved greater sales volume, they may have been able to fit 4 speed transmissions without affecting their obligations under the Australian content rules.

And if the Ford factory team hadn't cheated by using a Firestone racing tyre that would not fit on private entries the result could have been different. As it was, the cheat tyres failed thus saving Ford the embarassment of multiple protests from all and sundry.

And if clouds rained money we would all be Warren Buffets.

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The last charger (an E 49 from memory) did have a 4 speed gearbox. It was what was known as a Borge Warner single rail. Was also used in the Ford XB GT.

Dave.

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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

The last charger (an E 49 from memory) did have a 4 speed gearbox. It was what was known as a Borge Warner single rail. Was also used in the Ford XB GT.

Dave.

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Initially Chrysler had to use a three speed in the Chargers as there was not an Australian made four speed gearbox available to them. With their smaller volume importing a 4 speed in homologation numbers would have upset their compliance with the Australian content rules of the time. They fitted the Oz made BW as it became available.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

That engine was available here in Toranas in 1600cc form, and in Bedford CF vans in 2 litre form. It was a heap of s%*t. Like many UK/Euro engines it simply did not like being bounced around in the heat, dust, and distances of Australia.

Originally it was designed as a V8 and GM told Vauxhall to forget about it. If they wanted V8's then plenty of options were available ex USA. Vauxhall saved some of the expense of development by converting it to a four.

The reason the Viva shell was lighter was that the shell had to be reinforced to withstand Australian conditions and owners.

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i would say that aussies dint handle an alloy head to well back in the 70s nor was servicing done so well. but true the 61 deg was not as robust as a 186 or a 250, but then it produced more hp per "2. and what aussie motor is still in production today?
as for adding weight well that would have more to do with more than dubbing the hunk of cast iron under the bonnet. it was the same with the opal from a 2 ltr to a 5 cylinder dunny door

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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

The last charger (an E 49 from memory) did have a 4 speed gearbox. It was what was known as a Borge Warner single rail. Was also used in the Ford XB GT.

Dave.

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E49 had a 4 speed, E38 3 speed;)

Since when did the XB get a single rail?:confused:

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Originally Posted by rovercare

E49 had a 4 speed, E38 3 speed;)

Since when did the XB get a single rail?:confused:

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Since it came out in 1974. The XA was the last Falcon to have the Toploader gearbox.

The XB including GT had the single rail.

Dave.