Thread: V8 Supercar Farce

Originally Posted by Redback

Bring back the HQs

and the Coopers and Chargers, even one or two jags

How about the Hertz Mustangs, then there would not much difference in the rules to what we have now. Lets face it, the only difference between a rent a car and a taxi is the colour of the rego plate and the nationality of the illegal immigrant driving them.

Originally Posted by disco_thrasher

V8 politics and stupid rules are just ruining the best motorsport ,it should go back 10yrs and start again

30 YEARS

Originally Posted by dobbo

It must all come down to the aerodynamics of the Holden and Ford badges

You mean the Hogs Breath Badges, must make all the difference.

Would love to see a return back to Group A / C racing, but with some clear guidelines that must be adhered to. Must sell X amount of cars which was the rule in Australia, but these cars must at least resemble the cars available on the showroom floor. Current supercars are not even close. The Nissan GTRs and Sierras WERE NOT available in even a close resemblance and this is were the end of groups style racing ended. At least the Holdens, Fords, Jags, BMWs etc could be bought off the showroom floor.
Obviously there would need to be some allowable mods such as dry braking, all safety equipment and possiblly race bred engines that must be built on an ORE base.
But that is just wishfull thinking.

My opinion of the Australian motor racing scene is that CAMS over fifty years have ruined club level racing in Australia by the introduction of layers of bureaucracy and expense. CAMS are the reason for the GEARS organisation and Autosportsmen. If you have an elegible car you can take it to a GEARS event and take it out and play with it. Australian Autosportsmen have much lower bureacratic and financial burdens than CAMS controlled meetings.

Boring Formula Ford have got to the stage where you need about $500,000 a season to run a top level car.

Super boring Formula Vee has become the motor sport equivalent of club level Rugby Union, watched by doting parents, girlfriends and wives. Everyone else goes for a beer or a toilet break.

A home built entry level open wheeler category is needed. Tight regs to restrict the millionaire trophy burglars. Use readily available components from vehicles sold in numbers in Australia. For cost purposes the category would need to be front engined. Fabricated steel tube, box or channel section frames.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

My opinion of the Australian motor racing scene is that CAMS over fifty years have ruined club level racing in Australia by the introduction of layers of bureaucracy and expense. CAMS are the reason for the GEARS organisation and Autosportsmen. If you have an elegible car you can take it to a GEARS event and take it out and play with it. Australian Autosportsmen have much lower bureacratic and financial burdens than CAMS controlled meetings.

Boring Formula Ford have got to the stage where you need about $500,000 a season to run a top level car.

Super boring Formula Vee has become the motor sport equivalent of club level Rugby Union, watched by doting parents, girlfriends and wives. Everyone else goes for a beer or a toilet break.

A home built entry level open wheeler category is needed. Tight regs to restrict the millionaire trophy burglars. Use readily available components from vehicles sold in numbers in Australia. For cost purposes the category would need to be front engined. Fabricated steel tube, box or channel section frames.

We don't need any new classes of cars in Australian motorsport . What we do need is a cap on spending in the classes we already have . It doesn't matter what happens with a new class it always comes down to who has the biggest wallet .

As for bring back the HQ's ,Coopers , Chargers , Jags and all them piles of rust . Pull ya head out of your arse and realise that we are in 2009 not 1970's . It will never happen . I say run some other cars in the series as long as they fall under the same sized engine and are rear wheel drive .

Originally Posted by Fusion

We don't need any new classes of cars in Australian motorsport . What we do need is a cap on spending in the classes we already have . It doesn't matter what happens with a new class it always comes down to who has the biggest wallet .

As for bring back the HQ's ,Coopers , Chargers , Jags and all them piles of rust . Pull ya head out of your arse and realise that we are in 2009 not 1970's . It will never happen . I say run some other cars in the series as long as they fall under the same sized engine and are rear wheel drive .

The V8 Super Cars are not sport but a travelling circus, entertainment. Club motor sport has been crushed by CAMS and expense. Club meetings no longer draw crowds but long time enthusiasts remember when monthly club meetings at the near city circuits drew crowds of 10-15-30,000. Practice Saturday, and 10 or 12 races on Sunday, tintops, production sports cars, sports racers, and open wheelers.

I pulled out in the 1980's in protest at the insurance premium being added to the entry fee instead of being paid through the gate by the people it was to protect. Many others did and others have pulled out since in protest about other unjustifiable expenses added by CAMS.

Thats great for you Brian,,
but there is no other FIA sanctioned motorsport body in OZ,,
There is no other way for ME (or anybody)to win an Australian Off Road Championship.
There is no other way for ME to win a QLD Championship.

(and just to put this in perspective,,an entry into an Australian round is around $800.)

Insurance is a fact of life,, in ALL sports,,
by your premise if we get 50 locals come over to Big Jims back paddock to watch the buggys on Sunday Arvo, we have to divide the weekends policy cost amoungst them??

CAMS in the eighties wouldnt have been able to tie their shoelaces,, but,

CAMS in 2009 is a very different animal

I know one of the Australian Off Road Board members and one of the QLD Off Road Panel members and am very happy to let them guide CAMS.

If you dont like it Brian,,

Join a Car Club and
Put your hand up.