Thread: NSW new danger dogs list

Originally Posted by UncleHo

G'day Folks

Gee, there are some interesting breeds and types of breeds I didn't know that there were different types of Pit Bull Terrier, or that a Bull Arab was a breed,and that a Heeler was different to an Australian Cattle Dog, and there were different types of Staffordshire Bull Terrier, as from memory Staffordshire was in England but, then I have only been breeding dogs for 30+ years so I wouldn't know as much as the university grad that compiled that list, my daughter, who works for a shire council in animal control had a good laugh at some of those, and you southern folk are lucky that you are allowed to keep Dingos, as they are still a banned breed in Queensland they kill to many sheep in suburban backyards and kill babies ,so sayeth the farmers federation, like daylight saving fades the curtains.

I would be rather get a quick nip from a Cattle Dog than from a Bull Terrier or German Shepherd any day

cheers

As a dog breeder I am surprised you don't know of the American staffy???
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Staffordshire_Terrier]American Staffordshire Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Quite different to an english staffy.

I once sold some landie parts to a guy in Brisbane who had a pet dingo (or so he claimed and it certainly looked exactly like one). He said that officially it was a "fawn kelpie". Maybe the fraser Is dingo attacks are included in the list???

I agree that the categories above need some adjustment. However they may be relying on the data given by doctors/patients. It could be seen as massaging the data inappropriately to change it. If the doctor/patient writes "staffy" do you put it in the english or american category???

I looked a little further and this is what could constitute an attack..... "A dog attack can include any incident where a dog rushes at, attacks, bites, harasses or chases any person or animal (other than vermin), whether or not any injury is caused to the animal or person."

FFS .....really....a dog rushing at something.....well count our 2 top 20 vicious dogs...a 18mth old Shepherd and an old Golden Retriever in those stats then. Kids going past....they bark......garbage truck...ditto.....postie on his motor bike...same. Had a client ring me at top of driveway asking if ok as the GSD was hitting the fence. It was night time and he knows the difference.

Same boisterous dog...will also hunt down my older kids but will be as calm as can be around my 17mth old.

So statistics...what would be useful would be a classification/ breakdown of type of attack associated with breed of dog. Then a further statistic of "attacks' per ownership. If I said X breed had 5 attacks recorded and Y Breed had 100...the average joe would say Y breed is more dangerous. If you add the equation that for X breed there were only 10 animals and for Y breed 1000....then the perception changes. We now have a 50% chance of attack from Breed X and only a 10% Chance from Breed Y. Funny how you don't get that sort of statistic...despite them being available...somewhere.

As stated by another poster....any dog can attack.....I do trust my dogs but will always be around when they are with my youngest.

Regards

Stevo

No mention of GSP's as you'd expect. Don't think I've ever heard of one attacking anyone.

As for Lab's... what does this mean for those with Guide Dogs

Many years ago now I was staying at a beach house in Blairgowrie My German Shepherd (bitch) was sleeping on the decking out side. About 3:00 am she went ballistic barking and growling I got up to see what was wrong, the second I opened the door she was off over the fence, after the mongeral that had just used a slide hammer on my brand new cars door lock.

I'm wondering what sort of trouble my old German Shepherd and I would have been in, she caught up with him and returned with a large chunk of bloody denim, he managed to escape.

I later found a few of his tools just up the road, Reported this to the police but they never got around to looking into it. Too busy with the tourists.

$800.00 Damage to door and lock!
$10.00 Large Steak for German Shepherd
2 cheap large scewdrivers, (left at the scene of the crime)

Andrew

G'day Folks, Management here

I am deeply offended by the posting that a Australian Cattle Dog is an 'anything' cross........!!!!!!!

I bred Australian Cattle Dogs for 20+ years they were pedigree and each and every cattle dog that is bred by registered breeders has a pedigree and is bred to a standard. They are NOT MUTTS. Neither are they long haired. They are red or blue speckled or mottled. Why don't you have a look at the breeds on www.dogzonline.com.au before you start posting incorrect statements

I now breed Border Collies, they come in various colours black and white, chocolate and white, Aussie Red (ee red) for you pommies! blue and white and black tri colour (which is the ONLY showable tricolour in Australia - tan, black and white) we have red merle too. The ones I breed are also pedigree and registered with the Canine Control Council of Queensland. They are medium to long coated. The working lines (Working Sheepdog Society Inc are usually short coated

The Australian Kelpie is a short haired dog (sleek coated) they come in Black, Black and Tan, Red, Red and Tan, Blue, Chocolate, Chocolate and Tan. (fawn, and fawn and tan not showable colours)

Then there's your Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog, yes it's been put down here purposely, because it is a different breed to the Australian Cattle Dog, this is a taller dog, one is to one ratio and NO TAN..... although I am now seeing dogs with tan on them in the show ring It is incorrect. The stumpy tail never in the development of the breed..... had the kelpie added. They come in two colours red or blue speckled. These are also pedigree registered and are not crossed MUTTS....... get your facts straight please.

Rant almost over......... Finally we come to the Australian Shepherd, which is an American breed.... so we won't go there! It has very little imput from Australian working dogs.

There I've had my say, you can blame the other half for letting me near the computer............

Regards,THE MANAGEMENT

UncleHo, perhaps you can answer something for me.

A number of the Stumpies I've encountered have been deaf. Is this a common issue with the breed?
Also the Stumpies all seem to be more placid thsn the Cattle Dogs. I don't know if this is normal or not

Amy way I'll stick with my GSP.

All breeds have been crossed in some point to get the breed....and like horses all derived from very few types.

derek its not just the stumpies.....in the uk there are some cattles that are born bilaterally deaf

G'day dm_td5

Yes, deafness is a long standing problem in both Australian Cattle Dogs and Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dogs, it goes back to the Dalmation, which was one of the breeds infused in the 1880's ( it gives the speckle and the love of horses) Dalmations were originally breed to accompany horse drawn fire wagons, the deafness does pop up in certain blood lines, but all bloodlines could have a pup or too deaf, we used to vet check our pups for deafness before registration and sale, and it is hard to put down a nice pup, but a deaf dog is a danger to itself as well as to a potential owner, (can't hear commands/traffic, or can't be called off) hope that clarifies it for you, the missus does get a bit miffed when somebody calls an ACD a bitza

As for the stumpy being more placid, well, I don't know about that I have met some short fused stumpies, but they are a very good climber, I have seen them go up a 6'ft chainwire fence like a cat!!

P.S. BAER Testing for deafness is now available at Qld University, same type of testing as used on children.

cheers