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6th November 2009, 11:38 PM
lardy

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Originally Posted by rockyroad

Mandatory prison time for repeat drink drivers plus losing their cars, 3 months loss of licence each time is nothing because they keep driving.

Everybody here knows at least one person that gets repeatedly done for dui and then drives away from the court room - why they dont have police set up to catch them has me beat.

Alcohol is a major cause of fatal accidents and if you couple that with stupidity, other drugs and lack of experience (in case of young drivers) and unroadworthy vehicles you can account for many accidents that put people in a box.

Its a sad fact that at many of these accidents the scenes are littered with empty alcohol cans.

This is no good prisons are overcrowded beyond a joke, in fact they are frequented by offenders who do not pay car related fines and can in effect work off a fine at a grand a day, so if you can't afford to or cant be arsed to pay a fine just clutter a cell up
6th November 2009, 11:46 PM
V8Ian

Quote:

Originally Posted by lardy

This is no good prisons are overcrowded beyond a joke, in fact they are frequented by offenders who do not pay car related fines and can in effect work off a fine at a grand a day, so if you can't afford to or cant be arsed to pay a fine just clutter a cell up

Bollocks
7th November 2009, 12:02 AM
sschmez

Relevant topic this ...............

Please don't get all emotional

Today I left home at 06:45 and drove to Moorabbin and then to Wangaratta, Wodonga, Albury, Lavington before returning to Moorabbin to pick up my car and come home.

Was a big day.

I felt like a beer.

I bought two stubbies (home was only two stubbies away) at whatever pub is on the corner of Springvale and Heatherton rd and, had the top off one in a heartbeat.

4 minutes down the road at 22:16 I was pulled up in a R.B.T. on Heatherton rd ... yep, the coppers and I went through all the motions and waited the appropriate time, and answered all the questions again and again, and then did the machine ... all Ok .... 0.000 and I have the machine print out to prove it.

On my merry way I went ... totally unaffected by alcohol.

now fatigue ???? thats another story.... especially after wasting all that time in the booze bus when I could have been at home enjoying my next stubby.

Having a drink while driving is currently legal .. whether you think it's right or wrong it's still legal .. if I choose to, I will.

The driving I did today was also legal, maybe demanding, but legal and the coppers didn't even ask specifically... I said I'd just finished work, they didn't care about where, what or whyfor.

So take the emotion out of it and see that if anything had happened it may have been fatigue .... but alcohol would have got the blame.
because they haven't figured out a way of fining you for being tired.

I consider myself to be an experienced and responsible driver, I will and do stop when I get tired. I'd earlier caught up with a mate in Wodonga for a coffee because I wasn't ready to embark on the trip home. I have a 15 month old son and wouldn't want him to grow up without a Dad.

I am genuinely sorry for those that have been affected by a driver under the influence of excess alcohol, but don't put me in that bag coz I like to have a traveller

Stevo

BWT ........ it's after 01:00 and I'm still not in bed .... I'm not tired yet .... and really enjoying this stubby;)
7th November 2009, 01:56 AM
seano87

Ahh interesting thread. I personally don't drive after drinking, even if I know I'd be under the legal limit, however, I make no judgment on those who do - they are perfectly within the law to do so of they are under the relevant BAC, and laws are generally based on community standards.

I will add something a little extra regarding drinking whilst driving - in NSW it is illegal to be consuming an alcoholic drink whilst driving, whether you are under the prescribed BAC or not. I know of someone personally who has been charged over it about 6 months ago, and it came up as a case example in my HSC legal studies exam. I believe this is also true for Vic, but no idea for the rest of the states.
7th November 2009, 05:29 AM
ohleaky1

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Originally Posted by sschmez

Relevant topic this ...............

Please don't get all emotional

Today I left home at 06:45 and drove to Moorabbin and then to Wangaratta, Wodonga, Albury, Lavington before returning to Moorabbin to pick up my car and come home.

Was a big day.

I felt like a beer.

I bought two stubbies (home was only two stubbies away) at whatever pub is on the corner of Springvale and Heatherton rd and, had the top off one in a heartbeat.

4 minutes down the road at 22:16 I was pulled up in a R.B.T. on Heatherton rd ... yep, the coppers and I went through all the motions and waited the appropriate time, and answered all the questions again and again, and then did the machine ... all Ok .... 0.000 and I have the machine print out to prove it.

On my merry way I went ... totally unaffected by alcohol.

now fatigue ???? thats another story.... especially after wasting all that time in the booze bus when I could have been at home enjoying my next stubby.

Having a drink while driving is currently legal .. whether you think it's right or wrong it's still legal .. if I choose to, I will.

The driving I did today was also legal, maybe demanding, but legal and the coppers didn't even ask specifically... I said I'd just finished work, they didn't care about where, what or whyfor.

So take the emotion out of it and see that if anything had happened it may have been fatigue .... but alcohol would have got the blame.
because they haven't figured out a way of fining you for being tired.

I consider myself to be an experienced and responsible driver, I will and do stop when I get tired. I'd earlier caught up with a mate in Wodonga for a coffee because I wasn't ready to embark on the trip home. I have a 15 month old son and wouldn't want him to grow up without a Dad.

I am genuinely sorry for those that have been affected by a driver under the influence of excess alcohol, but don't put me in that bag coz I like to have a traveller

Stevo

BWT ........ it's after 01:00 and I'm still not in bed .... I'm not tired yet .... and really enjoying this stubby;)

So your saying you had finished both stubbies when you were breathalised? you did say 4minutes , short time to down both beers . did the police ask at the rbt if you,d been drinking ?

yet another person who is invinciple , and believes there driving is not affected by alcohol, this is why the law should be a zero tolerance! did you have an open stubby when they pulled you over ?
7th November 2009, 05:47 AM
hiline

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Originally Posted by ohleaky1

Ohhhhhh i see ! thanks for the explanation on what is legal and what is not . He might be under the limit legally , but is his driving ability affected , the law says your fine but common sence says dont drive if you,ve been drinking.
And as for the can of coke comment, i have never heard something so stupid , coke is,nt going to affect your driving capabilities like alcohol does! so why even compare

now now settle down mate

your really missing the point of my comments
it doesn't matter what you drink while driving,just as long as your under the legal limit.............

just for the record,i dont believe in drink driving either

1 of the dads from my boys footy club is a repeat offender of this :mad:
but he just keeps on driving
my biggest grip with him is that he's not covered by any insurance if he has a accient sober or drunk,cause his licence has been cancelled

now that really peeves me off..............
7th November 2009, 06:03 AM
ohleaky1

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Originally Posted by hiline

now now settle down mate

your really missing the point of my comments
it doesn't matter what you drink while driving,just as long as your under the legal limit.............

just for the record,i dont believe in drink driving either

1 of the dads from my boys footy club is a repeat offender of this :mad:
but he just keeps on driving
my biggest grip with him is that he's not covered by any insurance if he has a accient sober or drunk,cause his licence has been cancelled

now that really peeves me off..............

I get what you were saying perfectly hiline, but your comparison btween coke and beer was stupid.
And have you ever called the cops on the guy from your sons footy club? If you are against drink driving would,nt this be the responcible thing to do? It could just be a member of your family that he kills while driving drunk . and your more worried about him being uninsured?
7th November 2009, 06:26 AM
bruiser69

There is one obvious solution to stop idiots driving over the limit. It would free up the police (no more RBTs) and clear the courts..Compulsory alcohol ignition locks fitted to ALL vehicles.
The actual cost would be far less than current monitoring & miniscule compared to the loss of life & road trauma that these inconsiderate idiots cause. Any Govt got the guts to implement?

Cheers..B
7th November 2009, 07:11 AM
JDNSW

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruiser69

There is one obvious solution to stop idiots driving over the limit. It would free up the police (no more RBTs) and clear the courts..Compulsory alcohol ignition locks fitted to ALL vehicles.
The actual cost would be far less than current monitoring & miniscule compared to the loss of life & road trauma that these inconsiderate idiots cause. Any Govt got the guts to implement?

Cheers..B

Perhaps a wider explanation as to how this would work on, for example, a Series Landrover? Or for that matter, a Ford T? Cost of developing a tamperproof device for every car on the road could get very high, particularly for vehicles with only a few example in use. And who is to bear this cost? Owner? Including those non-drinkers faced with very expensive modifications to a classic vehicle?

And how about doing the same to tractors and other machinery? Similar problems.

Fitting to all new vehicles is much more practical, but its effectiveness is very doubtful - probably just as easily tampered with as the speed limiters on trucks, and in any case it would take a long time (past several general elections!) for it to have a significant effect.

John
7th November 2009, 07:37 AM
bruiser69

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Perhaps a wider explanation as to how this would work on, for example, a Series Landrover? Or for that matter, a Ford T? Cost of developing a tamperproof device for every car on the road could get very high, particularly for vehicles with only a few example in use. And who is to bear this cost? Owner? Including those non-drinkers faced with very expensive modifications to a classic vehicle?

And how about doing the same to tractors and other machinery? Similar problems.

Fitting to all new vehicles is much more practical, but its effectiveness is very doubtful - probably just as easily tampered with as the speed limiters on trucks, and in any case it would take a long time (past several general elections!) for it to have a significant effect.

John

I don't agree. These locks are fitted to vehicles of repeat offenders in some states already. The cost to manufacture in quantities is very low, and with inbuilt data logging would report any attempt to bypass.
The testing of these alcohol ignition locks could be part of annual vehicle inspection for rego renewal (yes- would force Qld to finally have compulsory vehicle inspections, which in itself would save many lives). When data downloaded any attempt , successful or not, would be shown & owner denied renewal for say 12 months or jail.

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