Thread: Post up pics of cool old interesting abandoned scrap (PHOTO WARNING)

Originally Posted by adonuff

... sort of conveyer or maybe a chain for ??

Thanks Andrew

Yes, a type of conveyor called a bucket elevator.

Some bucket elevators use elevator belting (very similar to conveyor belting), which the buckets are bolted to, the alternative method is to fasten the buckets to chain or chains.

Originally Posted by Xtreme

The Ruston Proctor Co of Lincoln UK was building diesels engines a full eight years before Rudolph Diesel's engine was produced commercially. [/FONT][/FONT]

Any links for this???

From wikipedia (no doubt incomplete)...

* 1892: February 23, Rudolf Diesel obtains a patent (RP 67207) titled "Arbeitsverfahren und Ausführungsart für Verbrennungsmaschinen".

* 1893: Diesel's essay titled Theory and Construction of a Rational Heat-engine to Replace the Steam Engine and Combustion Engines Known Today

* 1897: On August 10 Diesel builds his first working prototype in Augsburg

* 1898 Diesel licenses his engine to Branobel, Russian oil company, that is interested in the engine which can consume non-distilled oil. Branobel's engineers spent 4 years designing ship-mounted engine.

* 1899: Diesel licenses his engine to builders Krupp and Sulzer, who quickly become major manufacturers.

* 1902: until 1910 MAN produced 82 copies of the stationary diesel engine.

* 1903: Sormovo Shipbuilding Yard launches "Vandal" oil-tanker - first ship propelled by diesel engine.

* 1904: The French build the first diesel submarine, the Z.

* 1905: Four diesel engines turbochargers and intercoolers were manufactured by Büchl (CH), as well as a scroll loader from Creux (F) company.

* 1908: Prosper L'Orange develops with Deutz a precisely controlled injection pump with a needle injection nozzle.

* 1909: The prechamber with hemispherical combustion chamber is developed by Prosper L'Orange with Benz.

* 1910: The Norwegian research ship Fram is the first ship of the world with a diesel drive, afterwards Selandia was the first trading vessel. By 1960 the diesel drive had displaced steam turbine and coal fired steam engines.

* 1912: The Danish built first diesel ship MS Selandia. The first locomotive with a diesel engine.

* 1913: U.S. Navy submarines use NELSECO units. Rudolf Diesel died mysteriously when he crossed the English Channel on the SS Dresden.

* 1914: German U-boats are powered by MAN diesels.

* 1919: Prosper L'Orange obtains a patent on a prechamber insert and makes a needle injection nozzle. First diesel engine from Cummins.

* 1921: Prosper L'Orange builds a continuous variable output injection pump.

* 1922: First vehicle with (pre-chamber) diesel engine is the Agricultural tractor type 6 of Mercedes-Benz agricultural tractor OE Benz Sendling.

* 1923: first truck with diesel engine made by MAN, Benz and Daimler was tested.

* 1924: The introduction on the truck market of the diesel engine by commercial truck manufacturers in the IAA. Fairbanks-Morse starts building diesel engines.

* 1927: First truck injection pump and injection nozzles of Bosch. First passenger car prototype of Stoewer.

* 1930s: Caterpillar starts building diesels for their tractors.

So commercial production of diesels commenced 1899-1910.

When did Ruston start producing diesel engines ?

EDIT - I found this:

His first prototype engines were built in 1886. In 1890, in collaboration with Charles Richard Binney, he filed Patent 7146 for Richard Hornsby and Sons of Grantham, Lincolnshire, England. The patent was entitled: "Improvements in Engines Operated by the Explosion of Mixtures of Combustible Vapour or Gas and Air".[2] One such engine was sold to Newport Sanitary Authority, but the compression ratio was too low to get it started from cold, and it needed a heat poultice to get it going.[3]

Akroyd-Stuart's engines were built from June 26 1891 by Richard Hornsby and Sons as the Hornsby Akroyd Patent Oil Engine under licence and were first sold commercially on July 8 1892. It was the first internal combustion engine to use a pressurised fuel injection system.[4]

The Hornsby-Akroyd engine used a comparatively low compression ratio, so that the temperature of the air compressed in the combustion chamber at the end of the compression stroke was not high enough to initiate combustion. Combustion instead took place in a separated combustion chamber, the "vaporizer" (also called the "hot bulb") mounted on the cylinder head, into which fuel was sprayed. It was connected to the cylinder by a narrow passage and was heated either by the cylinder's coolant or by exhaust gases while running; an external flame such as a blowtorch was used for starting. Self-ignition occurred from contact between the fuel-air mixture and the hot walls of the vaporizer.[5] By contracting the bulb to a very narrow neck where it attached to the cylinder, a high degree of turbulence was set up as the ignited gases flashed through the neck into the cylinder, where combustion was completed. As the engine's load increased, so did the temperature of the bulb, causing the ignition period to advance; to counteract pre-ignition, water was dripped into the air intake.[6]

Hot bulb engines were produced until the late 1920s, often being called "semi-diesels", even though they were not as efficient as compression ignition engines. They had the advantage of comparative simplicity, since they did not require the air compressor used by early Diesel engines; fuel was injected mechanically (solid injection) near the start of the compression stroke, at a much lower pressure than that of Diesel engines.[5]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Akroyd_Stuart[/ame]

As above - these were hot-bulb engines or semi-diesels. So not quite the same - which explains why they don't seem to have been involved in patent battles with Rudolph. No doubt Rudolph was somewhat inspired by their work though.

The high compression and thermal efficiency is what distinguishes the patent of Diesel from a hot bulb engine patent.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Any links for this???

Can't recall where I dug it up from but here is a bit of histort of the company.

The original company was Proctor and Burton established in 1840, The name change to Ruston, Proctor and Company was established in Lincoln, England in 1857 when Joseph Ruston joined them and were manufactures of steam tractors and engines. They later became Rustons & then Ruston & Hornsby.

Rustons were primarily steam engineers. Portable, stationary and traction engines, boilers, and associated engineering products, such as winding gear, shafts and pulleys. Threshing machines, clover hullers, corn mills, maize shellers and pumps for steam power were also made. As well as engines for agriculture machines Rustons made railway locomotives and industrial equipment as well as mining machinery. The company also expanded into electrical and diesel engineering.

On 11 September 1918, the company amalgamated with Richard Hornsby & Sons of GranthamRuston and Hornsby Ltd. Hornsby was the world leader in vaporizing oil engines, building them since 1891, a full eight years before Rudolf Diesel's engine was produced commercially. Ruston built oil and diesel engines in sizes from a few HP up to large industrial engines.

During World War I, Ruston switched to assist the war effort, producing tanks (such as the Matilda tank) and also aircraft, notably a large number of Sopwith Camels.
After World War I the company attempted to diversify and one outcome was the Ruston-Hornsby car. Two versions were made, a 15.9 hp with a Dorman 2614 cc engine and a larger 20hp model with 3308 cc engine of their own manufacture. The cars were however very heavy, being built on a 9-inch chassis, and extremely expensive - the cheapest was around £440 and the most expensive nearly £1000, and within a few years other makers were selling similar vehicles that weighed only 3/4 ton and cost around £120 - £200, and never reached the hoped for production volumes. About 1500 were made between 1919 and 1924.

Ruston & Hornsby was a major producer of small and medium diesel engines for land and marine applications. They began to build diesel locomotives in 1931 (and continued up until 1967). It was a pioneer and major developer in the industrial application of small (up to 10000kW) heavy duty gas turbines from the 1950s onwards.
Technically, Ruston & Hornsby Ltd existed at the Vulcan Foundry in Newton-le-Willows in Merseyside until 2002, which was known as Ruston Diesels. It was taken over by MAN B&W Diesel AG on June 12th 2000.

Rustons in its various incarnations was always an engine producer, rather than a machine producer, and it is a true observation that they simply produced machines in order to sell engines.

Seems like this rusty pic should go right here






Martyn

Originally Posted by slug_burner

Snow makes most things look good



This one was still recoverable but in British Columbia there would not be many wrecks to use as donors

A very rare find indeed....when I went back a few years ago I was looking for a Land Rover (as you do)....found one in the local paper in Chilliwack BC....needed restoration but it was "all there"....only $8000....Bargain!

St Andrews relics; anyone know what they were?

Originally Posted by Cliffy

You know when you get a call from a farm saying they have a real collectors car...just needs a little TLC to get it going again, a real bargain for $####.## and excited you drive to Timbuktoo to find....oh BUGGER!

Shame its not a bit closser to me as I would have grabed it

Originally Posted by longing4alandy

Harman of Melbourne made a wide variety of equipment, from logging winches to locomotives and rail tractors. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the same Melbourne Harman that built this. It is the same Harman company that is around today too, they have a lot of history.

Found this Harman drag line sitting on a farm this week. It was used to dig dams around the area.









Heres an official Harman photo showing the chain driven drive. The farmer had to remove the chain so that he could tow the dragline back to his farm.



Heres two photo of a similar Harman being loaded onto a railway flatbed.