Thread: Holden experts needed

Originally Posted by mick88

Early 179 engines had "HP" cast on the side of the block (front left) with prefix "M" on the engine number and the later engines had "179" cast there and the engine number started with 179. Low Compression "149" ci engines had prefix "Y" as Brian has stated.
It is from the EH era 1963-65.










Cheers, Mick.

Not all early 179's had HP cast on the block, there was a commercial 179 out of utes and panel vans, that had a smaller carby, lower comp and torquey cam. HP blocks were usually in sedans and were a hipo motor, well hipo for their day, most having steel cranks.
179 didnt come out till HD.

Originally Posted by landrover dave

Not all early 179's had HP cast on the block, there was a commercial 179 out of utes and panel vans, that had a smaller carby, lower comp and torquey cam. HP blocks were usually in sedans and were a hipo motor, well hipo for their day, most having steel cranks.
179 didnt come out till HD.

All Holden motors (greys included) up until Feb 1967 had Steel (forged) cranks.

Cheers, Mick.

The 149 motor was available in either high or low compression variants in the EH and the HD, but not the 179.




Holden Engine Numbers ID Guide


There was an X2 179 motor that feature twin Stromberg carbies available in the HD.


Holden 6 Cylinder Engine Timeline: EH to HZ Holden


There was also a Bathurst model EH called the S4 (EH 225 179m-S4) that featured a larger fuel tank, power assisted brakes, beefed up gearbox, a more comprehensive tool kit, however the motor was a standard 179 but supposedly the components were hand picked from the production line for better tolerances.


EH S4 Holden History | EH Holden Car Club of Victoria Inc






Cheers, Mick.

Hi everyone, 149 red motors can also be identified by looking at the left hand side or alternator side of the block. It has only 3 large welch plugs instead of 5, 2 small ones and 3 large ones in all other red 6 cyl motors. The 149 was also the only red 6 to have a steel crank fitted as standard, with the exception of the x2 and 186s motors which had the steel crankshaft, steel harmonic balancer and forged steel flywheel as standard which were balanced to finer tolerances than the standard red 6. The smallest red 6 was the 138 red or 2250cc fitted to toranas. And yes the 179 WAS fitted to eh and was deleted from the range at the end of hd holden. Just some correct information for you.

Cheers Rod

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Originally Posted by 67hardtop

Hi everyone, 149 red motors can also be identified by looking at the left hand side or alternator side of the block. It has only 3 large welch plugs instead of 5, 2 small ones and 3 large ones in all other red 6 cyl motors. The 149 was also the only red 6 to have a steel crank fitted as standard, with the exception of the x2 and 186s motors which had the steel crankshaft, steel harmonic balancer and forged steel flywheel as standard which were balanced to finer tolerances than the standard red 6. The smallest red 6 was the 138 red or 2250cc fitted to toranas. And yes the 179 WAS fitted to eh and was deleted from the range at the end of hd holden. Just some correct information for you.

Cheers Rod

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There was also a 130ci red six manufactured, but only used in export vehicles. As stated earlier all holden six's (grey motors included) up February 1967 had "steel cranks"
The First Red Motors:

When the red motor first came out the 149 blocks had no casting ID & the 179 were cast HP, probably for 'High Performance' which they certainly had when compared with the 149.


The First Red Motors:
When the red motor first came out the 149 blocks had no casting ID & the 179 were cast HP, probably for 'High Performance' which they certainly had when compared with the 149.

HP Engine Blocks - Holdenpaedia



Cheers, Mick.

130 red was fitted to LC/LJ badged as 2250. often sourced incorrectly to fit to FJ-EK. the holden dealer I worked at had numbers of these in boxes-prob-export surplus sold as industrial motors.


130 was listed as export engine for statesman with bench seat and 3 speed manual.

Not to take away from whats been said there is a great forum called FastLane that's a good source of info for early Holdens.

FastLane

James

Originally Posted by Davehoos

130 red was fitted to LC/LJ badged as 2250. often sourced incorrectly to fit to FJ-EK. the holden dealer I worked at had numbers of these in boxes-prob-export surplus sold as industrial motors.


130 was listed as export engine for statesman with bench seat and 3 speed manual.

So Dave,
was the 130 export motor and the 138 (2250) the same motor?


Engine Code Notes
130 130E HT Holden / HG Holden
130 130T Early LC Torana
130 CA Late LC Torana and LJ Torana
130 QA HQ Holden
138 2250H Early LC Torana High Compression
138 2250L Early LC Torana Low Compression
138 CB Late LC Torana , LJ Torana High Compression
138 CC Late LC Torana, LJ Torana Low Compression
138 HB LH Torana, LX Torana High Compression
138 HC LH Torana, LX Torana Low Compression

Cheers, Mick.