Thread: Replacing the D3.... A Hypothetical Question

Originally Posted by disco2hse

Gowonn, they ain't that bad

I get the opportunity to drive them every so often on site..... and they are no D3...... but it does tick all the boxes, doesn't it.......

Originally Posted by DiscoSaffa

I have said it before, but by dropping the V6 from their line up, LR are going to loose sales.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here...

As quick as they produce the vehicles they are sold... Demand outstrips supply... By reducing vehicle configurations they'll improve output and processing logistics...

The plants can only produce XX many units per day regardless...

The cheap base engine/spec vehicles in any manufacturers range have always suffered just what you're seeing now...Greatly reduced trade-in value, reduced desirability etc...

Originally Posted by Tombie2

Sorry, but I have to disagree here...

As quick as they produce the vehicles they are sold... Demand outstrips supply... By reducing vehicle configurations they'll improve output and processing logistics...

The plants can only produce XX many units per day regardless...

The cheap base engine/spec vehicles in any manufacturers range have always suffered just what you're seeing now...Greatly reduced trade-in value, reduced desirability etc...

Hi Tombie

I am afraid I in turn have to dis-agree, the SE V6 was (and this is my perception) the biggest selling D3 to the general market. If anyone has figures I am happy to be challenged on this.

What the V6 did was make it a viable alternative to the Prados of the world, and affordable to the likes of myself.

What they have done now is made the D4 an alternative to the LC 200, so they may have won over more buyers in that segment, but they will loose me as an Land Rover driver because of it in the future (unless my financial situation changes), they have lost my brother in-law, and they will loose others. But Land Rover’s attitude to that is that then perhaps we don’t deserve to drive a prestige brand like Land Rover…… *coughs into hand* so the heck with those of us that drive a poor man’s D3.

As for the petrol variants re-sale value, that is a perception issue. People are dead set on the tdV6, because they are told the V6 is a poor baby sister to the tdV6. I believe in time that will change, (expects to be shot down in flames) the tdV6 motor is only 5 years old, which to all intents and purposes is untested in our world……. It is a hi tech motor, that is one more piece in the puzzle to go wrong. That IMHO makes the tried and tested Ford Donk a desirable option as the vehicles age……..

The base engine spec argument, for me doesn't hold water as the 2.7 D4 is a lower spec than the bottom of the range D3 V6SE, and the same rules will apply to this in 4 years time, as apply to the V6 now.

As for demand outstripping supply, if that is a reason for Land Rover not chasing my (one of LR's biggest fans) business, and others like me, then perhaps I really need to rethink what car I drive.......

There we go, just my two cents worth…… and he waits for the barrage

You say the Pajero is out because it is not a nice vehicle? what do you mean by that?

I have owned a Pajero and found it to be a great car, it is no D3, but then not much is. The styling can be a bit divisive, but I don't mind it, the car drives very well and is very capable off road, it has loads of space and you get lots of fruit for your money.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a Pajero.

Originally Posted by DiscoSaffa

Hi Tombie

I am afraid I in turn have to dis-agree, the SE V6 was (and this is my perception) the biggest selling D3 to the general market. If anyone has figures I am happy to be challenged on this.

What the V6 did was make it a viable alternative to the Prados of the world, and affordable to the likes of myself.

What they have done now is made the D4 an alternative to the LC 200, so they may have won over more buyers in that segment, but they will loose me as an Land Rover driver because of it in the future (unless my financial situation changes), they have lost my brother in-law, and they will loose others. But Land Rover’s attitude to that is that then perhaps we don’t deserve to drive a prestige brand like Land Rover…… *coughs into hand* so the heck with those of us that drive a poor man’s D3.

As for the petrol variants re-sale value, that is a perception issue. People are dead set on the tdV6, because they are told the V6 is a poor baby sister to the tdV6. I believe in time that will change, (expects to be shot down in flames) the tdV6 motor is only 5 years old, which to all intents and purposes is untested in our world……. It is a hi tech motor, that is one more piece in the puzzle to go wrong. That IMHO makes the tried and tested Ford Donk a desirable option as the vehicles age……..

The base engine spec argument, for me doesn't hold water as the 2.7 D4 is a lower spec than the bottom of the range D3 V6SE, and the same rules will apply to this in 4 years time, as apply to the V6 now.

As for demand outstripping supply, if that is a reason for Land Rover not chasing my (one of LR's biggest fans) business, and others like me, then perhaps I really need to rethink what car I drive.......

There we go, just my two cents worth…… and he waits for the barrage

No barrage from me.... I accept your opinion

You are right on the 2.7 D4, its going to suffer badly in 4-5 years for sure.

The V6 is an old donk, with a bad history in Exploders though.

When it came to put my old man into a D3 we looked at all the options.
The V6 was borrowed for a weekend, as was a TDV6.
The V6 couldn't cut it cost wise for fuel consumption, was much thirstier than the TDV6 when driven the same in the same area...
The deals were around then too (we waited for them) and got the brand new TDV6 SE with extras for a very (well over $15k off) nice drive-away price.

I understand what your saying too.... But the Prado isn't a competitor to the D3/D4 or the RRS... So LR are (unfortunately for most of us) targeting them against the LC200 and upcoming Patrol.

Hopefully, the new generation Defender replacement will fit the bill.

Originally Posted by DiscoSaffa

I have....... albeit briefly, and the products spoken about there all seem to apply if bought while the vehicle is still under manufacturers warranty... hence the question.

Not necessarily.

I think the issue there is that if you have an unbroken warranty period you are perceived as a lower risk and that will affect your premium. I have an extended warranty with Vero and that was purchased after the manufacturers warranty had run out. I had to have a full vehicle inspection before they agreed to take on the risk but the cost of the insurance is worth passing on the risk to them.

Alan

Originally Posted by AnD3rew

You say the Pajero is out because it is not a nice vehicle? what do you mean by that?

I have owned a Pajero and found it to be a great car, it is no D3, but then not much is. The styling can be a bit divisive, but I don't mind it, the car drives very well and is very capable off road, it has loads of space and you get lots of fruit for your money.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a Pajero.

Hi AnD3rew

That is not my opinion, but my brother in law's, and he didn't give his rationalle behind that statement. It may well be just the looks, because if you look at it objectively, it does tick all of his boxes.........

Depending on what he wants to use it for, the following could all be options

Volvo XC90
Tourag
BMW X5

The x5 is very nice to drive.

BTW what is bil's (Brother In Law) problem with his D3?