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    Hill decent and slippery stuff

    On a very slippery wet mud track, I was going down a steep slope the D3 TD6SE was getting a little out of shape. I engages hill decent. It was ok but when I tried to brake it seems to stop me breaking fully? I could feel the brake pedal engaged by hill decent increasing and decreasing. Very interesting but with the 4 wheel slipping and speed getting higher. Found the inability to brake more a little troubling. Disengaging and steering on to the side of the track enable me to regain control.
    Getting back up was a perfect reason to get a winch on front. 6 attempts had me considering going down even a steeper bit of track to see if there was another way out. Lots of branches, bark and bracken added to the track on one side enabled a climb out.
    Good fun but mud or slippery stuff sure adds a whole new dimension to travelling off road. If it had been dry a 2wd would have driven it with ease!

    I assume the all terrain tires are my main problem on the slippery bits. It was fun as I got out without too much drama. I was driving a hired nissan patrol north of Broome in WA a few weeks ago. It was sideways on a clay road after rain storm for about 20km. I had driven up the track at 100kph 6 hours before- LOL. I am not sure what a steep mountain track would have done to it but I wonder if some settings make it better or taking us ( drivers) out of control puts us at a disatvanatge some times?
    How does your go on clay or very slippery steep bits when traction is non existant?

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    Mud and ruts setting makes a huge difference. But I have a rear e-diff as well.
    Tyres are more crucial on muudy surfaces though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weakestlink View Post
    Found the inability to brake more a little troubling. Disengaging and steering on to the side of the track enable me to regain control.
    Did you use the HDC speed control at all ?

    (I have found many D3 drivers don't know about it).

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    In conjunction with HDC you can use command shift to lock it up in 1 or 2 low depending how slow you want to go, I find using command shift this way I mostly don't need HDC
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    Slippery down hill bits you need to accelerate to clear the tyres and pull it back into shape.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by weakestlink View Post
    It was ok but when I tried to brake it seems to stop me breaking fully? I could feel the brake pedal engaged by hill decent increasing and decreasing. Very interesting but with the 4 wheel slipping and speed getting higher. Found the inability to brake more a little troubling. Disengaging and steering on to the side of the track enable me to regain control.
    Do not use the brakes when you are using HDC! It says this in the manual too.

    You must trust your machine to know what it is doing.

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    As the other guys have mentioned, there are a number of techniques you can use but the main ones are:

    • Don't use your brakes.
    • Get to know & trust the cars ability.
    • Modulate the HDC speed.
    • Manually select gear.

    Remember that with all of this, if you do start to slide, you are going to have to use the accelerator to regain control (not your brake)!

    It's also worth noting that no matter how good the car is, it can't break the rules of physics and magically find traction when none is there to be had!!!

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    So does the hill decent work in reverse as well. I had gone up a really steep slippery section in my D4 on the weekend in rock crawl and had to reverse out of it. The car seemed to accelerate and the abs was working like mad. Bit daunting when you want to go slow. I didn't think about using the cruise control to control the speed however as I was caught a little off guard

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by weakestlink View Post
    On a very slippery wet mud track, I was going down a steep slope the D3 TD6SE was getting a little out of shape. I engages hill decent.
    I would have thought you'd have HDC selected before you started down? As other have said, select L1 or L2, HDC and stay off the brakes. Use the cruise +/- to change the speed.

    What tyres do you have?

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    AT tyres will give you little to no grip on clay - most MT's will struggle too. A bit of speed might help clear the tread, but usually they'll just turn to slicks in a couple of seconds or so.

    Cheers,

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