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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    So I should have challenged the ticket then? Damned Clover Moore and SCC!
    Depends upon the your vehicle classification.

    its not shown on the label, but but on you actual paperwork.

    Is it wagon of pvl ?

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    Remember a loading zone is for loading or unloading.

    If you are not loading or unloading you can be booked regardless of what vehicle you are in. So do not sit in a loading zone in the city and eat your lunch......

    Loading zones are - "for the use of vehicles principally designed and constructed for carrying goods"

    Your D3 was designed principally for carrying passengers, so unless you have a goods delivery docket you'll be wasting your time going to court.

    That and the fact the magistrate may add is $60 court fees on top of the fine. Cop it on the chin and learn the lesson like the rest of us have

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJon View Post
    I thought loading zones were for loading and unloading goods. I wasn't aware there was a vehicle type defined for using loading zones. What about couriers in Hyundais, etc?

    They will have delivery dockets or proof of delivery and often have the rear seats removed, cargo barriers fitted, which brings them under the definition of "principally designed and CONSTRUCTED for carrying goods"

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    I wonder why ?

    Happen to speak to the NSW Office of State Revenue on another (non related) matter....

    So I happened to ask about loading zones... my contact indicated that standard procedure, is to check registration classification, if ticket is NOT issue for overstay, and vehicle is classed as a station wagon to immediately kill off the ticket. The OSR cannot determine if there is a sedan equivalent of the wagon and they appear not to be interested in that side of things. Private or business registration makes no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    That's not what the parking infringement officer told me as she wrote out my last ticket for parking in a Loading Zone.
    Well guys I listened to your learned information and now (as of 14 July) have been sent an infringement notice. $141.00 of it

    Subsequently following up with the RTA and their brochure on Road Rule 179 http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregul...chure_0409.pdf and read the note: Please note: "The majority of 4WD vehicles, hatchbacks and other coupé and sports type vehicles are not defined as station wagons under NSW Regulations. These vehicles are not principally designed and constructed for carrying goods and therefore, they are excluded from parking in loading zones."

    The interesting thing is that after ringing the SDRO I find my RRc is described on it's registration as "panel van with windows" and that was entered at the RTA pits in Botany. Lets see what happens?

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    So were you loading or unloading this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black betty View Post
    So were you loading or unloading this time?
    I was delivering medical imaging films to a doctor, that constitutes goods.

    And in case any of you lot in NSW want to argue the point, I have appealed the issue and it has been declined. "We confirm vehicle registration XXXXX is described as a panel van with windows and seats in Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) records. According to Rule 179 of Road Rules 2008 this type of is not permitted to park in a loading zone as it is not a station wagon, a motor bike that has 3 wheels or a motor vehicle constructed principally for the conveyance of goods. We attach a copy of the RTA Loading Zone brochure for your attention."

    Which one of you'se lot that advised me I can legally park is going to pay the fine!

    You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    I was delivering medical imaging films to a doctor, that constitutes goods.

    And in case any of you lot in NSW want to argue the point, I have appealed the issue and it has been declined. "We confirm vehicle registration XXXXX is described as a panel van with windows and seats in Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) records. According to Rule 179 of Road Rules 2008 this type of is not permitted to park in a loading zone as it is not a station wagon, a motor bike that has 3 wheels or a motor vehicle constructed principally for the conveyance of goods. We attach a copy of the RTA Loading Zone brochure for your attention."

    Which one of you'se lot that advised me I can legally park is going to pay the fine!
    I just got my email response today... same

    Which means that I have to try for a reclassification when we do a blue slip to correct the dealer error of number of seats of my "S".

    I want a change from PVL to a station wagon, that will solve the problem acording to my rta source.

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    Ive tried to change my D3 PVF to a station wagon at the RTA, had a heated conservation with the boss but they would not change it. He told me that they are imported into the country without the rear seats they are then regoed then the seats are then fitted to them here in Australia. He told me this why they carry the PVF type on the rego. You can imagine what I said to this. Anyway because of this I am able to have quartly rego which I have been doing for the last 4 1/2 years, $200 a quarter, not so bad on the pocket

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    I'm not sure that you'll have a lot of success because they have made an exclusion for 4WDs in Road Rule 179.

    It would be better challenging the validity of the legislation through the courts. Perhaps a class action. IMHO the best place to start would be a Defender station wagon. The problem is going to be based upon the RTA's definition that to be a "station wagon" there has to be a "sedan" equivalent. There are multiple goods carrying variants of the Defender but no sedan.

    If the cargo capacity of the defender station wagon with the seats folded were compared with a Commodore station wagon I'm sure the Defender would win out. That will make the Rule 179 absurd.

    However in the mean time I'm just going to have to pay the fine and not listen to the experts here again.

    You won't find me on: faceplant; Scipe; Infragam; LumpedIn; ShapCnat or Twitting. I'm just not that interesting.

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