D4 with LLAMS height adjustor and MTR (19's)

the manual over ride relates to factory fitted not an aftermarket, I would recommend if you think I am wrong then go for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th opinion, after all it is the roadworthness and insurance of your car, phone Vicroads, Land rover Australia to see if the have voided whatever remaining new car warranty there may be on the vehicles suspension and if they would recommend fitting this and last but not least an Automotive Engineer to see if this contravenes the ADR's for the vehicle, I am happy to be proved wrong if I am reading into this incorrectly.

Craigl,

You are probably correct - certainly for Vic - and highlight some important issues for consideration. As far as insurance is concerned it would only be an issue if LLams or its operation was directly involved in incident.

The reality is that many of the things we do to our vehicles may not be strictly legal but we do them any - the obvious one is larger tyres on our vehicles. If I take a larger D3 tyre that just scraps in as far as being legal goes - it would be illegal on my RRS as the sport as standard uses a slightly lower profile tyre - yet the cars are basically the same.

I have just disabled the seatbelt gong on my car - that is also probably illegal as well.

Everyone will make their own decisions. For me a Llams is on the shopping list.

Garry

Craigl

I take your point that the LLAMs system MAY be considered by SOME authorities to contravene their registration codes. For anyone who modifies their vehicle from standard this has to always be considered. The link that you posted at the very least is intended to adress aftermarket airbag systems and the inclusion of the part about "showoff value" would seem to be aimed at street machines more so than 4wds. As far as warranty is concerned I would expect that this device would void warranty on the affected part only if it had damaged a component that it affects.
I have to question your motivation in posting on the forum though, 3 posts and only on this subject. Do you have a D3 that you are considering fitting / not fitting this device to?

Tote

LR Aust tried to force me to stop selling or even developing the air actuated system. :angel:
Land Rover have no legal position concerning aftermarket modifications as it is no longer their vehicle but can refuse a warranty claim if any modification causes a failure.
They quoted VSI 50 which was about to be enforced. It was meant to target doof doof boys with lowered suspension but caught up 4x4 modifiers as well. Pulled by the roads minister at the last minute.
Legality is up to the relevent authorities.
In NSW current code of practice is still <50mm/one third of suspesion travel for raised suspension. ADRs to look for would be headlight height and wheel alignment.
Both should be within spec. Those who have run D3s with permanently shortened rods have found no uneven wear of tyres when raised and Matzcar system raises by 30mm and is TUV approved.
Graham did you ask your engineer who is doing the brakes what you need to check?

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Originally Posted by CaverD3

Graham did you ask your engineer who is doing the lights what you need to check?

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Lights? Do you mean brakes?

As for Llams, I would very much prefer that LR not be asked for an official opinion because they will have no option but to respond in only one way...

Sorry Graham,
Just you were talking to an engineer about the brake mod. Which is what I should have said. :angel:
I'll edit it.

Not suggesting you ask LR. :eek: Nothing to do with them. :angel:

The headlights must be below a certain height when raised. Just one of the things checked when bigger springs are put on vehicles.

I have and will only discuss the brake modification with the engineer. I have no desire to risk complicating matters.

Ok - LLAMS ordered - should arrive tomorrow.

Have the installation instructions, identified a nice flat bitumen area to do the calibration, also identified where to put the controller - where Stornaway put his on the steering column. On a RRS the only other place is up on the overhead console near the interior light but that will mean making up/modifying the LLAMs harness and pulling the roof lining down a bit etc.

So - do I need anything else to do the installation?

Cheers

Garry

Kit arrived a day early - very prompt delivery from Bruce Davis - very professional looking gear. However this is work on 101 week so fitment will have to wait until next week.

Garry

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So - do I need anything else to do the installation?

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A Phillips head screwdriver, a small flat screwdriver and 10mm and 3mm drill bits to make the switch holes. Oh, and a bit of patience when removing the side kick panel and connectors from the ecu.