Thread: D4 with LLAMS height adjustor and MTR (19's)

I recon you will be very happy with it. A well thought out piece of kit.

I just fitted the Llams height adjuster to my D3 today.
I was glad that I was able to downlaod the instructions with photos from this forum, as the instructions that came with the kit were pretty poor, just text with no pictures.

Here are the height settings after calbration. I thought there must have been some sort of error, so I did it a couple of times with similar results.
I did all the tests with no-one sitting in the vehicle on level ground.

1. With Llams set at -20mm and Access height selected
Front -19mm, Rear -22mm
This is about what I expected.

2. With Llams set at +50mm and Normal Road height selected
Front +36mm, Rear +38mm

3. With Llams set at +50mm and Off-Road Height Selected
Front +10mm, Rear +31mm

It seems that it does not get to 50mm height extension I expected in either normal or off-road settings. Anyone got any ideas on this? I've emailed Llams for an opinion but whould like to hear what others have found.

Originally Posted by wyperfield

I was glad that I was able to downlaod the instructions with photos from this forum, as the instructions that came with the kit were pretty poor, just text with no pictures.

The expectation was that the installation would only be done by persons familiar with removing the necessary covers, so listing the steps was all that was considered necessary. Indeed, I was urged to have the kits only fitted by workshops but thought that unnecessary. Even though less experienced people have been fitting the kits, very good detailed instructions have been produced by another member of this site so the original instructions have not been updated when perhaps they should have been.

Others will probably suggest the same resolution to the less than satisfactory height increase as I have already supplied by email. I hope you get better results soon.

Originally Posted by Graeme

It reminds me of rules regarding air replacement systems that allow lowering of the rear or of 1 side of a vehicle to facilitate loading, either of goods or for wheel-chair access. The vehicle must be returned to a level state and must be locked there before it can move.

I considered a request to make the Llams system able to lean a vehicle left or right at the driver's discretion. Apart from having to intercept another loom for one of the cross-link valves, I had no way of ensuring that the vehicle could be limited to extremely slow travel, as activation at speed could easily end in disaster. Hence I discarded that development.

There are systems that permit that for Jeeps. But I think that's overkill for a Disco.

I'm keen to install a Llams controller so I approached a respected Melbourne LR workshop (Not LR Aust.). Anyway, they will not install these as they claim that it is violation of Victorian modification laws. Maybe they just want to cover their backsides, but they also mentioned some new legislation coming out. Plus insurance worries etc. blah blah blah.

I understand their concerns but plenty of leaf spring/coil Nissans & Tojo's AND D2 Landrovers that have 2+ inch raised permanent suspension lifts. Are these also in violation? If that's the case then any of the off road suspension fitters/sellers are also in breach.

Anyone care to comment of=r in Melbourne and have the Llams fitted?

Cheers,
Neil.

Originally Posted by HedleyLamar

I'm keen to install a Llams controller so I approached a respected Melbourne LR workshop (Not LR Aust.). Anyway, they will not install these as they claim that it is violation of Victorian modification laws. Maybe they just want to cover their backsides, but they also mentioned some new legislation coming out. Plus insurance worries etc. blah blah blah.

I understand their concerns but plenty of leaf spring/coil Nissans & Tojo's AND D2 Landrovers that have 2+ inch raised permanent suspension lifts. Are these also in violation? If that's the case then any of the off road suspension fitters/sellers are also in breach.

Anyone care to comment of=r in Melbourne and have the Llams fitted?

Cheers,
Neil.

If the shop in question cannot explain why they consider the LLAMS to be in breach, and provide justification to prove their case such as citing specific regulations then I'm not interested. If they can, then I'd love to know.

New legislation - always on the way. Worry about it when and if it arrives. Don't suppose they were in any way specific about that either.

Oddly enough many mechanics take too lax a view of mods - tyre diameters, rim offsets and more - so to have one go the other way is unusual.

In Victoria the rule is 1/3 suspension travel so in general a 2" lift for a 4WD is well within limits, and insurable which is a seperate, but related point.

Dealer = "Section 17.1 Motor Traders Act"

Originally Posted by sniegy

Dealer = "Section 17.1 Motor Traders Act"

You've lost me on this one?