Thread: 19" Scorpion ATRs fitted on the D4 today.

Using the Spare Wheel Winch (Hot Tip)
When using the spare wheel winch to either remove, refit & just wind up the cable (say when you throw the punctured wheel into the loadspace to be taken for repair) out of the way... You MUST have Tension on the cable at ALL times...otherwise the cables binds in the winder & jams.

Just cut this, from the FAQs...

Was aware of this and briefed the guy before he touched the car. I changed 3 wheels in a week and tensioned the cable every time....no issue!

Guess he forgot.....or forced the buggery out of it trying to get the wheel past the tow-hitch......

Cheers.

Kev.

Hi Kev,
was going to get back & let you know but you beat me too it. Have had a week that nearly every 2nd customer that walks in has said the same thing, hence why i thought i would just do a quick tip.

With regard to the wheel not fitting on std size into the spare wheel cavity, that an interesting one, It "Should" just fit in, regardless whether the tow hitch is in place or not...

Strange one that..

Cheers

I looked up the calculated diameters for the Good Year Wrangler HP 255 55 R19 at 30.0" and for the ATR, 30.3" so that is effectively the same.

I suppose your HP's were worn so the OD would be a bit less and the ATR's could be a bit bigger as well since they are brand new. My guess is however, that since the guys destroyed the winch, that they may be happier working on Tractor Trailer units where a bigger sludge hammer is always the first solution.

I might add however that I watched an Audi mechanic trying to get my Land Rover factory spare, (the funny one), up back into the wheel well. To his credit, rather than fight it, after some struggle, he removed the winch, took it apart, found it to be OK, lubricated it a bit, and then reinstalled.

Then he got a helper and together, the two of them got it up into the well. Since then I have never dropped it down, but always tied a full sized spare into the rear area.

I still have the exhaust shield installed; I know some have removed it to get more space and some remove a rubber donut thing just to the underside of the winch location to get more space - me not.

Originally Posted by sniegy

Hi Kev,
was going to get back & let you know but you beat me too it. Have had a week that nearly every 2nd customer that walks in has said the same thing, hence why i thought i would just do a quick tip.

With regard to the wheel not fitting on std size into the spare wheel cavity, that an interesting one, It "Should" just fit in, regardless whether the tow hitch is in place or not...

Strange one that..

Cheers

That's no worries mate.

I wasn't there, so I have no idea what he has done. Anyway, I've talked to the owner...who's a good guy, and he knows that if he can't get it working, he's on the hook for a new one.

Of course I'll test it multiple times before accepting that it's fixed.

Do you know anything about the Tight Tolerence Mode? Some folks think it's not neccesary for a D4 alignment...just put it in 'Normal' height.

Regards,

Kev.

Originally Posted by bbyer

I looked up the calculated diameters for the Good Year Wrangler HP 255 55 R19 at 30.0" and for the ATR, 30.3" so that is effectively the same.

I suppose your HP's were worn so the OD would be a bit less and the ATR's could be a bit bigger as well since they are brand new. My guess is however, that since the guys destroyed the winch, that they may be happier working on Tractor Trailer units where a bigger sludge hammer is always the first solution.

I might add however that I watched an Audi mechanic trying to get my Land Rover factory spare, (the funny one), up back into the wheel well. To his credit, rather than fight it, after some struggle, he removed the winch, took it apart, found it to be OK, lubricated it a bit, and then reinstalled.

Then he got a helper and together, the two of them got it up into the well. Since then I have never dropped it down, but always tied a full sized spare into the rear area.

I still have the exhaust shield installed; I know some have removed it to get more space and some remove a rubber donut thing just to the underside of the winch location to get more space - me not.

Thanks mate. Good to know he shouldn't have had any issue with it...I was concerned that I'd given him false info regarding not needing to remove the hitch (with a different type of tyre than the Wrangler). But in my defence...he had the key for the hitch, my wife had already told him where it was.

If it fits no worries, I won't be removing anything either.

Cheers,

Kev.

Your tyre should fit fine...I've just fitted Cooper LTZ's in a 265/70/17 size which is approximately 40mm bigger than those that came with my 2.7D4.

The trick is bend the exhaust guards back a little, drop some pressure out of the spare (mines at 15PSI) and use a bit of soap on all the points that touch. Then as you wind it up, as it starts to meet all the points in which it touches push the wheel upwards towards the back near the exhaust pipes. Following this method and doing it a little bit at a time I've got the brand new spare which is quite a bit bigger sitting in the factory spot

I stopped the tyre guys doing it luckily as they were in the process of just cranking the winder despite it not going

Hope this helps...

Originally Posted by OzAd4x4

Your tyre should fit fine...I've just fitted Cooper LTZ's in a 265/70/17 size which is approximately 40mm bigger than those that came with my 2.7D4.

The trick is bend the exhaust guards back a little, drop some pressure out of the spare (mines at 15PSI) and use a bit of soap on all the points that touch. Then as you wind it up, as it starts to meet all the points in which it touches push the wheel upwards towards the back near the exhaust pipes. Following this method and doing it a little bit at a time I've got the brand new spare which is quite a bit bigger sitting in the factory spot

I stopped the tyre guys doing it luckily as they were in the process of just cranking the winder despite it not going

Hope this helps...

Thanks mate, I guess I'll find out at 8am tomorrow.

Cheers,

Kev.

Originally Posted by OzAd4x4

Your tyre should fit fine...I've just fitted Cooper LTZ's in a 265/70/17 size which is approximately 40mm bigger than those that came with my 2.7D4.

You sure they are LTZ Zions? I thought they only did 18's, 20's, 22's & 24's!