Thread: D4 Dies after first service....VERY unhappy camper!

Originally Posted by Rockylizard

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

Where as I agree with some of what you say, and I have read some shocking roastings people have gotten for comparing a D4 to a LC 200 or complained about a D4 problem, I think you need to re-read your original post..

I dont see anywhere in that post a ask for help or reason's why this may have happened or what the un-happy owner ( and fair enough he should be) should know before he gets a response from L/R.

All I read was a vent of frustration and a why the hell did I buy a L/R to start with post.

As I have said some of the comments recieved are out of place, but it wasn't the greatest way to ask for help..especially the burn the thing and the dealership to the ground part

My view of course, and am sure some will dis-agree.

I hope he gets the D4 sorted.

I personally wouldn't buy a 3.0l D4, for the reason I said.NO DIPSTICK..

I have seen trawlers loose fishing time because of electronic Cat engines that have an oil senser failure and wont let the engine be started, not much help in the middle of the ocean..

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by Rockylizard

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

Good reply, I've read this and many others with dismissive rubbish when it comes to facts, passion obviously blures their vision, more like full blown cataracts!

When will people realize it's unacceptable to have these issues, I'd be right ****ed off if my new car died regardless of make, but yet being a disco he should accept that?

Anyway, sounds like a run on, I'd be demanding a new engine, even if it still runs, after having oil in the intake it can have wonky conrods

Now another fact he should just accept aside from the long turn around without his car, is the likely work could end up with the body off, so now his brand new car is likely to be split by the apprentices in the workshop, yay!

Anyhow, tell your buddy to accept it then become so anal about the mark he to can payout on others for being Toyota owners and any fault is completely acceptable on his 90k car

Originally Posted by Rockylizard

QUOTE:
The first annual service located an oil level sensor that has to be replaced next week (thereby already surpassing the number of parts replaced on the Prado in 8 years!.....). And when I picked up disco, the reduced performance warning was on. So I pulled over, shut down and restarted. Caution gone.
15 km later - death rattles from engine, full acceleration (under closed throttle), masses of smoke and Christmas tree lights on panel (self soiling itself!) . Stand on brakes to slow engine, then it shut down so I rolled to a stop on a side road. In Ashwood - otherwise known as Axemurdererville.
Won't restart on a few attempts - one-press starter just keeps winding!
Landrover 24 hr assist put me on hold for 15 mins so I then try another start, which works so I limp 2 km to brother's place - during which it self oiled twice. I was prepared to put it in N and happily watch as it beat itself to death!
So it's gone on the truck (smokin' and stinking of oil and sulphur) and I'm on the train to get a loan car (anything that isn't British please!) and head to Sale, having missed two meetings this morn.
I hope that when it gets to LR it self combusts and burns down the dealership and all stock, so partially removing this scourge from the earth and saving many other owners from 'enjoying' LR ownership and 'service'!
UNQUOTE.

I'd prescribe a dose of HTFU...

Over dramatic, and full of crap....

Good luck detecting the level Sulphur in modern diesel.... What a clown

Sorry mate, every brand has issues.... I'd bet the service did something wrong causing run on....
But no need to get so over the top.....

Yes, its frustrating - but to compare in such a rubbish manner is silly.

Sounds like the turbo may be playing up and feeding oil into the engine. There were some problem turbos - maybe one slipped through.

Originally Posted by Rockylizard

Gday...

I have been a member of this forum for over a year and have found the information that comes from the 'wise heads' has been incredible - good depth of thought, drawing on experience - either their own or those they know - sensible wit delivered with good humour and generally a very good forum.

I am astounded at the responses this thread has received.

It seems the main response has been - "wake up stupid ex-Prado owner", "D4s have problems, live with it", "this thread is just BS and setting up D4 3.0L motor", "he should have checked the oil before he drove off" "Christmas tree lights - check the Owner's Manual dummy" ......... etc etc.

I find it unbelieveable the tone of dismissiveness and defensiveness of you all - it is so out of character to what I have seen from this forum.

I am sorry I asked. I guess I will just go back to being a 'watcher' and not try to get info.

John

I partly agree John,

Seems natural reaction by many is to defend the honor of the D4/D3 etc and discredit any thread that says things are not all good.

However the original post did not give a lot of detail and was pretty dismissive of every LR product as a result of this problem, which as far as I am aware is an isolated one for D4's.

I do recall reading somewhere on this forum about diesel engines running away and self combusting due to oil seal problems (i think) where oil keeps flooding the engine causing it to run away and basically blowing them selves up.

Your mates managed to stop and then re-start a couple of times so does not sound like that.

Will be interesting to see what the problem was, LR issue or dealer service issue?

I for one have never actually checked my engine oil or other fluid levels before I leave a service, perhaps foolishly making the assumption that they would have done the right thing. On the odd occasion I have checked within the next few day at home but I see no onus on anyone to check before driving away.

The lack of dipstick in the 3.0 on the other hand seems to be a case of technology for technology sake and the fact you need to wait 15 min blah blah blah simply means very few people will ever check their engine oil.

If the post is a rev up/troll so be it, who cares we are only preaching to the converted on this site.

If it is a real issue then I am interested to hear what caused the issue and what is the result.

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that the 3.0l has NO DIPSTICK what dipstick thought that was a good idea.

I reckon someone at the dealer has done something, I'd be asking some questions that's for sure.

Hope he gets it sorted.

Baz

Originally Posted by Redback

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that the 3.0l has NO DIPSTICK what dipstick thought that was a good idea.

I reckon someone at the dealer has done something, I'd be asking some questions that's for sure.

Hope he gets it sorted.

Baz

Not uncommon Baz...

Lets face it, how many urbanites even know what an engine looks like in a modern vehicle... Only dipstick in many modern vehicles is located in RHF Seat

It has an electronic sensor, and a procedure not unlike the same one used on my Dry Sump Motorcycle...

Your transmission doesnt have one either - remember

When I do oil changes on the bike, its a case of fully drain and then add a precise measured quantity of oil to replenish.

I don’t read all the D3/4/RRS threads but on the ones I’ve read and contributed to, I’ve NEVER once seen people deny there are issues with these vehicles…..not once! Not saying it doesn’t happen but I just haven’t seen that as a theme, contrary to other’s suggestions.

I’ve seen plenty of people, including myself (rightly or wrongly), venting their frustration at the following:
· Blatant Brand or model knockers
· The ill-informed making inflammatory statements
· Trolls
· The “I know or heard of a guy crew”…..you know, people that have never really had anything to do with the model or Brand, acting on hearsay
· Oh and of course people who suggest that the D3/4/RRS forum members are defensive… J

I’ve seen threads where it appears that people are getting a pizzling over their comments but if you weather the storm, you’ll see that it is usually caused by folks making bold statements about things they nothing about…as in, they haven’t done their homework and go shooting off.

I’ve seen plenty of posts (the vast majority) helping the uninformed (which often includes me), when there is a genuine question there to be answered…..plenty.

I’ve also seen a few people getting pizzled when it ‘looked’ like they were Trolling…..mistaken identity…in one instance I unfortunately jumped on one of those. But in my defence, it was a third party who started the thread and it was a pretty uninformed statement…..so uninformed it looked like a Troll. L

Honestly, there are plenty of people talking about the issues of all of those models (in fact, some are quite scathing of their own purchase) but it helps nobody to suggest that there are more problems than there really are, or the problem is more of an issue than it really is. Conversely it doesn’t help to cover up either…nobody is suggesting that! Owners and prospective owners deserve to be informed and it doesn’t help them when they have to trawl through emotive mis-information.

I’m sure most folks have heard all the LR Brand jibs but it serves nobody if they are based on rubbish and hearsay and maybe it’s worse when that is perpetuated by Brand owners. Now if anybody thinks that is a ‘defend LR (or D3/4/RRS) at all costs’ statement, you need to read it again. I’ve had a compressor problem, a turbo replaced and a few other freakin annoying squeaks and broken bits, that I have been more than happy to share with this forum. Does that bother me? Of course it bloody does…it seriously craps me off. Should it be covered up? Hell no, LR need to keep lifting their game…and I do believe that they really have. But let’s stick to the facts; let’s not lose them in BS or emotive rants or Green Monster knocking sessions.

It was difficult to get any reliable (reliability) info on the D3 when I was looking to buy because there was so much knocking and emotive crap floating around. I depended on the good folks of these forums to help me make my decisions. With the issues I have, would I buy another D4?….hell yes!

Obviously, sometimes it’s unintentional….just the way people write things, or it comes across.

But if folks kept it genuine (supply as many facts as possible…for diagnostic purposes) and didn’t hit on the above bullet points, I’d wager there would be very few of these break-downs in communication….but some might ask….”where’s the fun in that?…LOL” It will never happen J

For the record:
· The removal of the Dipstick in the 3.0L is a pain (IMOHO). When I can check the oil (as in met the required timeframe, etc) I forget and when I can’t….’cause the engine is cold or has just run, I remember… L Consequently my oil gets checked way too infrequently.
· Knocking Toyotas, in my book, is fair game… ;-)

Cheers,

Kev.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Agree John. I have also been accused of being a troll - only on the d3/4 board though...

I wonder if the responses from some but not all to your thread reflect the digital nature of some d3/4 drivers. Get with the real world people - whilst the d4 is a technological marvel they have more than their fair share a problems and the 3.0 has now quite a number of horror stories attached to it in it's short life. If you get a good one fantastic - never look back. Watch out if there was an away game and yours was built on a Friday (or on a Monday after the cup final).

Many of the responses to this thread are very unroverlike and some just smack of the author having blisters on both hands.

I'm gonna have to call you on this one..."the 3.0 has now quite a number of horror stories attached to it in it's short life"......Outside the turbo issues that many have talked about for the 3.0L?...and I wouldn't exactly call them horror stories? Pry do tell? The one that started this thread is certainly up there....no doubt about it....but what others?