Thread: Portals & D3's

Hey guys,

the reason I ask these questions is soon D3's will be considered as being old and their prices will keep coming down. When price reaches a tipping point with 4x4's the people who buy them next are more often then not the serious off roaders looking at the next wave of vehicles to modify as serious off road toys.

And yes I expect current owners of new to relatively new $70,000 plus vehicles to wonder why I keep asking questions like this. But I reckon it is a good thing to stimulate discussion and the gray matter on what in a couple of years will be what some people may be doing to D3's.

Stop and imagine for a minute how good a D3 with air suspension, a E-diff and portals giving it a 5" lift plus 35 inch KM2's would be like off road if you could keep the electronic traction control gizmo's working?

By the way Rich there was no offence taken from what you said...

cheers,
Terry

I'm not saying it can't be done, but would it be viable or commercially viable for say someone like Marks Adaptors considering the cost of the R&D etc it would take to develop?

Originally Posted by LowRanger

Maxi drive portals give 5" of lift,and can be engineered in NSW.Which is important to us

Wayne

Maxis are designed around 16" wheels & brakes though I'm 99% sure. Not impossible, just another engineering certificate hurdle on a D3.

Regards
Max P

If your wondering what portals look like and what they achieve regarding lift then click on the link below. Make sure you look at the last picture of the 130 head on that really shows what kind of lift you can get.


Offroad Forum - Die groe deutschsprachige Community fr alle Offroad-, Allrad- und Reisebegeisterten :: Thema anzeigen - Der LR (Portal)-Achsenfred

I believe these ones, from memory, are made in Germany and allow for larger modern brakes and come in 4" and 5" drops.

Sorry about it being in German...

cheers,
Terry

Obviously (from the question I am about to ask) I am not technical genius,

But why would portal hubs impact ABS ?

Additionally if it did, and using TerryO's logic, of this only really being considered as the D3 ages and gets cheaper and more likely to be modified, could you not simply disengage the ABS, or is that illegal ?

I am guessing that nothing is as simple as that and I assume the ABS impacts many of the traction and stability functions in a D3, DSC, HDC blah blah to name a few.

Interesting idea either way.

George

If anyone wants to see the inside of portals so its obvious how they work check out the link to another posting elsewhere on this site. Just scan down the page of the link and it becomes very obvious.


130 on portals

Hey Discoweb, my thoughts would be that for it to be a viable proposition then the ABS would need to work and so would the other gizmo's and the D3's would need to be able to be registered. There are plenty of vehicles with ABS that have portals fitted and are registered after being passed by an engineer from what I can see.

cheers,
Terry

Originally Posted by DiscoWeb

Obviously (from the question I am about to ask) I am not technical genius,

But why would portal hubs impact ABS ?

Additionally if it did, and using TerryO's logic, of this only really being considered as the D3 ages and gets cheaper and more likely to be modified, could you not simply disengage the ABS, or is that illegal ?

I am guessing that nothing is as simple as that and I assume the ABS impacts many of the traction and stability functions in a D3, DSC, HDC blah blah to name a few.

Interesting idea either way.

George

The ABS sensor is in the hub. At minimum the response of the ABS will be changed because of the added gear reduction between the hub and the wheel.

If the portal setup keeps the existing hubs then the above is the only issue. If the hubs are completely replaced (as in my H1 suggestion), then you need to sort out a new solution for the ABS sensor.

AFAIK disabling ABS is illegal.

Adding a portal would also increase the un-sprung weight - requiring a change to the suspension.