Fossicker
I had the first set of turbochargers changed at 36,000 Ks, all was fine. Had the D4 in for the 48,000 K service the week before xmas. Next day a slight puff of blue smoke, then the next day when giving it a bit of a boot full to join traffic, there was an almighty plume of blue smoke - yep new turbos have had a catastrophic failure.
Looks like oil is getting into the 2nd turbo, and this is with the improved model!!!!!!
The dealer did 3 days of testing of every conceivable test on the engine. I initially thought the engine may have been over filled with oil but when I checked the oil level after the 2nd day the level was down to 1/2.
Most embaressing thing is I was going to Brisbane for a months holidays from xmas, so Land Rover have provided me with a Toyota Kluger - wonder if they are giving me a hint???
It is a shame because the D4 is such a good vehicle to drive - my concern is that I am rapidly loosing confidence in the reliability - I had planned to commence my around Australia trip with an off road caravan - not sure how far I should go out of mobile phone range. I gather I can always revert to my D1.
Has anyone else had a second turbo drama???
Master
D3 and 4 diesel engine reliability is a lottery . When my D3 petrol
is replaced , I'll change Brand . I'm not buying into the problems
they have , or the parts unavailability/cost . This stuff all costs
too much to tolerate these continual shortcomings . Parts quality
is hopeless , and they want eighty-odd grand upwards . Ha !
Mobile phone range is not the problem ; recovery is .
Swaggie
The more that I read about the new vehicles the more that I think that a County with an oil burner is the best to have
I hope that my Defe Tdi300 will last 500.000 km trouble free providing that I do the services in time.
Admin
Hi Neil, please tell me which brand of new 4x4 would you recommend as being capable of doing a similar job to a D4 that is more reliable?
I tow a off road van that is plated at over 2.5 ton that we do take off road, that limits me to either a 200 series Cruiser, Jeep or a Disco as far as I can tell. Unless I want to give one of those 'bend the chassis rails in the middle' and much less comfortable crew cabs from the various manufacturers a go, which I'm not.
While the D4 is not a perfect vehicle and there are some that are having regular issues, I would bet it is not that different in the reliability stakes then any other capable modern 4x4 that can legally tow 3.5 ton with ease. The thing is you only read about LR issues on a LR site, so how would any of us truly know what issues the other brands are facing?
As I said I would be interested to know which brand of similar spec 4x4 is better and more reliable.
cheers,
Terry
Cheers,
Terry
D1 V8 (Gone)D2a HSE V8 (Gone)D3 HSE TDV6 (Unfortunately Gone)D4 V8
Master
Good luck with the caravaning Terry . Glad to hear you're a
happy camper . Each to their own purchase.
Oh OK Neil... Off you go....Originally Posted by Neil P
Enjoy the poor parts, service and quality issues of those far superior brands...
You're cracking me up...
You want dead reliable - you'll be buying buying a GU 4.2 Turbo Diesel...
Not one recently made vehicle is better than a D4... Not one... And their parts and service are worse than any LR dealer I've ever dealt with...
This is truly a case of "the grass is NOT greener on the other side"
Master
Neil,
I have to agree with TerryO's comments - if you "change" brands - which "brand" would you go for...???. The modern day vehicles all seem to have similar "problems" with their computer systems etc ... when they are good they're good but when they go bad .... well that's another story.
I have a good friend who forked out about $120k for a Toyota "with the lot" and for the first month or so he couldn't stop telling me how great it was (and it was nice to travel in - I can attest to that) - BUT then it started to have all sorts of problems and the dealer was less than helpful ... he now looks at my 2007 D3 with desire in his eyes ... maybe I was lucky, I don't know but my D3 just keeps on going day after day - no problems so far (fingers crossed) ... I must agree with one of your points though - the Landrover dealerships are a bit thin on the ground ... so if you "go japanese" you'll at least have more places to find a dealer who MAY be able to fix it.
I'm sticking with Landrover - good luck with whatever you choose.
cheers
Master
For those who feel so inclined/upset :
If your purchase/employment is your phallic symbol and anyone
who doesn't like it is perceived by you to have called you a sad short dicked soab
who's bitch isn't happy , then that's your problem. I don't like paying
for unreliability . I fly to interesting places overseas for my holidays;
if you prefer caravans or something else , that's your holiday choice
and good for you.
What someone else buys , is their business , if I can handle that , why
can't some of you ? My next lease is A5 and parks very nicely at the airport , where I begin holidays that interest me. Goodbye.
Period.
ChatterBox
We each make purchase decisions based on our own information and requirements.
But back to the turbo issue. LR made a temporary fix first to stop oil migration between turbos. I think they have come up with a new design since and newer models have not had many issues.
I did see a D4 blowing a lot of smoke on take off the other day. Turned out to be a 2.7L TDV6.
The worst I have seen on a new vehicle was clouds of black smoke from a 200 series TDV8.
Wizard
D4 2.7L blowing smoke was probably a cracked/delaminated intercooler hose. Common fault and another stellar design job by the boffins from old blighty.
All these turbo problems in the 3L remind me of the "teething problems" I had with my new D3, with the HPFP. Another "great" design. (No wonder the British car industry is going down the gurgler).
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