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    Question D3 Multiple Lost Module Communications

    Howdy all...

    have 2005 D3 that started with some bing bongs from a suspension dash alarm. Sometimes went red and told me the car would be limited and all that but it still drove fine. Wouldn't always do this party trick but probably about 3 out 5 drives over a 2 week period it would talk to you like this.

    Anyway one nice morning (after a big rain) I get loads of dash alarms as soon as I go to start her up as though another alternator has died but voltages appear fine. Brake globes are fine and they come on and off and I've cleaned out the brake switch until I can grab a new one however.... the Faultmate reports lost comms for all the modules reporting as fails on the Christmas dash light show and a typical report is here:

    LOST COMMUNICATION WITH TRANSFER CASE CONTROL MODULE -:U0102
    GENERAL SIGNAL FAILURE - SIGNAL IS ERRATIC. (PERMANENT)

    RECORD TYPE: 16
    SAMPLE 1
    TIME ELAPSED SINCE THE FAULT STORED IS: 2376days 22hours 22minutes 10sec 9milisec
    STORED ODOMETER VALUE: 0KM / 0 M
    DISTANCE TRAVELLED SINCE FAULT STORED: 178934 KM / 110939 M
    MAIN ECU SUPPLY VOLTAGE: 11.75V
    ENGINE RUNING STATUS: NOT RUNNING
    ENGINE CRANK STATUS: NOT CRANKING
    OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE : 19°C

    I've done hard resets and all the basic stuff and the ECU next to the battery is dry as a bone but figured I still need to check the pins for corrosion etc. Hoping it's not a genuine failed ECU but it seems quite sudden for multiple unit failure so am hoping for something a bit more common to them all.

    Anyone else seen this issue of permanent lost comms? The time elapsed also makes me wonder and I still have hope for a simple brake switch swap result assuming a simple clean up wasn't enough.

    I am wondering also due to the multiple nature of the failures if it all has started in the ABS module as that appear to be the first module in the high speed CAN and from what I can tell, the failed modules are looped from the ABS module.

    Thanks a heap for any tips folks....
    Last edited by Mully; 16th March 2012 at 12:25 AM. Reason: More info added.

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    When you say the ecu next to the battery, I assume you mean a 2nd battery fitted near the brake master cylinder as that ecu is the transfer case module. Therefore I think you are looking in the right spot, at least to start with. Check any earth posts nearby for being tight. The TC ecu is known to not like water but I don't know if that's due to connection problems or if the ecu actually gets damaged. You could try some electrical contact cleaner on the TC connector. As the fault increased in frequency rather than immediately permanent, a poor connection is more likely the cause than a failing ecu. However due to multiple lost comms, a connection fault could easily be somewhere else.
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    Thanks Graeme for the input.
    I was meaning the ECU near the main battery that looks like a terminal block almost. It's mounted to the side of the battery tray so to speak...lots of wires in from the top and not a lot of insulation to keep moisture out. It looks fine but figured it worth checking the connections today.
    I'll be looking closely at the TC ECU for sure after your suggestion.
    Cheers.

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    On my D4 that looks to be a loom connector and as it doesn't have any light gauge and twisted pair canbus wires out the top I doubt its the source of the faults.
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    brake controler?

    Hi Mully, do you have an electronic brake controler on? Mine gave me some grief breifly after the battery had been disconected.

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    Just a silly left field suggestion, and only as I'm sure I've read it on here somewhere before, & although I know you said your alternator output seems fine, BUT what about a dodgy battery???

    As I said, I'm sure I've seen reference to all sorts of warnings, error messages etc. just due to a poor battery. Even your list above does say 11.75v as ECU supply voltage - not the best I would have thought ...

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    id have to look at all the codes,, cant work off just one code, but look for battery acid leaking on to the TCCM, very commen,

    seen a few were the harniss as actuly been eaten away,

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    Quote Originally Posted by outasight View Post
    Even your list above does say 11.75v as ECU supply voltage
    I missed that!
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    Hey guys thanks a bunch for all the messages, very appreciated.

    I've just got back inside from fixing a loom chewed by rodents! When removing the battery (I have a massive BMW AGM battery nowadays that is brilliant) to check the ECU located behind it, there is a loom connector at the bottom rear that had a load of chewed wires. One wire was even laying by itself in a one inch length completely separated from the loom... they were having a good munch it appears.

    I still needed the Faultmate to clear the big F message but all the errors are gone and I'll take her for a spin tomorrow to see how she goes while hoping some other niggles are now also gone.

    Will still also replace the brake switch anyway although it serviced up ok but one contact in there is certainly under rated.

    What a saga... but I will definitely state for the record that the looms are very ordinary on such an electrically featured vehicle. I was stunned by all the loomed cables left dangling and exposed throughout the under bonnet areas. Not quite the standard of cabling I expected to see...even in a British build.

    If anyone wants some pix of the rodent meal, let me know and I can whack some snaps up.

    Thanks a heap again one and all for taking the time to give input.

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    I should also update too that the apparent low voltage is typical of what I've seen since day one. There are few things like this I've found that can send you on a goose chase with diagnostics on this truck and Faultmate but definitely worth identifying.

    And yes Graeme it is a loom connector sorry. I saw all the wires when looking for the ECU and thought that was it before digging deeper. Doh!

    The ECU I was looking for was in the big and very un-IP rated box behind the battery. Would like to see some mod options to sort that ECU box out...that's for sure.

    Cheers!

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