Thread: Beach Driving

Originally Posted by Celtoid

I believe TC is ineffective at zero speed....

Kev.

But when in gear with wheels spinning the car thinks it is moving. Dsc can stop the engine getting enough revs to activate TC.

As far as the original post goes - TR in sand, tyres down, DSC on until sticky stuff then off.

Garry

Originally Posted by garrycol

But when in gear with wheels spinning the car thinks it is moving. Dsc can stop the engine getting enough revs to activate TC.

As far as the original post goes - TR in sand, tyres down, DSC on until sticky stuff then off.

Garry

I'd have to defer to more learned colleagues, so this is just a question, not a statement....wouldn't the lack of friction....transferred/translating into load on the wheels, drive train, engine, etc be noticed by the car's tricky stuff and register as non-movement (Isn't this one of the triggers for Extended Height)? Which you'd hope would trigger an effective TC response...but due to lack of actual FWD motion, can't?! Hasn't this been identified as one of the major advantages of the rear eDiff...it reacts when the TC is slow or can't?


And refering to your 'response to the original post goes'...wouldn't the DSC react to the wobbles you get driving in soft sand (not real sticky stuff...just general beach driving) and potentially bog you?

That was my take on what I've read anyway....

Geez I wish I hadn't missed GGHaggis's Brisbane GOE event......

Cheers,

Kev.

BTW, I'd much prefer leaving safety equipment like the DSC on, for the reasons you mentioned....but if it has the potential to keep getting you bogged....rock and a hard place I guess...

Originally Posted by garrycol

One week after getting my car ended up here and was surprised that I could not get out.


I had to get the Freelander to pull me out - after I was out the Freelander had no issues driving through with less ground clearance as its traction control worked once revs got up a bit.




Garry

Hey Garry, ...

Hmm! ....you had to get towed out by a Freelander! ...that is not something I would be admitting to.

Oh well to late now the secret is out and we have the photo to prove it for all eternity ...

Cheers,
Terry

Yep - my Freelander - has done plenty of offroad work so I know what it is capable of. Build better than any RRS or D3 as well.

Most people who knock them have never owned one.

As I said - the bog hole that stopped the RRS (admittedly at the time I was not up on its idiosyncrasies) did not stop the Freelander. It doesn't have DSC that cuts engine power to a level lower than is needed to activate TC.

garry

had sialr when my D3 was new, took it on beach at straddy and promptly bogged it to the chassis

did not know much about DSC etc, did have it in sand mode and though the e.diff would kick in and Id be able to get out. wrong, e.diff did not kick in, no idea why, maybe a DSC thing?

Forgot to lower tyre pressure so mistake number 1.

Had to get towed by an old bomb cruiser, highly embarrassing what!!!

Originally Posted by Tombie

Just FYI, if you had trouble with TC and Sand.. Your pressures were wrong

x2...cant seriously get into trouble with a D2 on sand even stock without CDL if the tyre pressures are right.

Cheers

D2 (Diesel, 7 seater) - I owned one for many years and took it fully loaded to Bathurst Bay, Fraser, Moreton, etc, etc. Every time it looked like getting stuck we remembered the words of a wise old bloke at Moreton who saw the Disco over packed inside and out and towing a boat and struggling to proceed. He said "15psi in the truck tyres and 12psi in the trailer". We did as we were told as it was 9pm at night. All seven of us then got back in and like magic it floated out of its ruts and drove off like it was on tar.

This 4WD was the turning point in my wife's off road driving. Basically, she has no fear and will take on anything... since this Land Rover.

D3 (Diesel, 7 seater) - wow so much more power and weight and tech.

My first encounter in sand took my faith away. Now I wouldn't change it for the any other truck, unless there is someone out there with a D4 SE who wants a clean swap .

What changes my mind??

Tyres - yes they make a huge difference I had Pirelli Zeros and they were worn and good. Changed them soon after I owned the car to Kumhos which were new and bad. I now have Pirelli ATRs and yes they cost more and yes they make a huge difference.

DSC - You need to turn it off. Now everyone thinks this is obvious but you need to push it and hold it till the light comes on not just the beep. As a newbie I had the knowledge but not the experience. On sand you need the DSC off no argument. If you leave it "on" you will struggle or worse get stuck as the poor computer tries to manage conflict.

Suspension Height Rods - the car is setup for great road use and is about 25cm too low for deep sand. The speed sensitive lowering must have been designed for Brittish beaches and not the long deep trenches of our sand islands.

This causes the whole underbelly to grind against the middle of the track. Think about it... Drag a stick through the sand know tray a sheet of ply. I suggest this is akin to dragging a floating axle or the underside of the D3.

Now with proper tyres, appropriate DSC treatment and GOE height rods the D3 not only is awesome in the sand, it makes my mates 100 series look a bit average as the D3 tech does work. Compared to the 100s I seem to stop in sand quicker, accelerate faster and travel in greater comfort.

Yes my wife loves the D3 and my mates have nicknamed it the "Sand Rover" as it seems to do things with less effort than the Tojos and Pajeros.

Originally Posted by garrycol

But when in gear with wheels spinning the car thinks it is moving. Dsc can stop the engine getting enough revs to activate TC.

As far as the original post goes - TR in sand, tyres down, DSC on until sticky stuff then off.

Garry

Given all the other posts, we haven't quite got this nutted down....sand DSC on or OFF?

TC working with 'knowledge' that it's moving or not? Extended mode works on what?

Cheers Kev.