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It was a stock D2 Td5 Manual, without a CDL.

Driven down onto a beach that got softer and softer as I went down the access trail (hadn't aired down), high tide was up so all the sand was soft. There was no way to stop and air down without getting the thing bogged, and then there would have been no means of recovering it. Went in with the locals telling us the beach was usually firm... well not that day. So there was no option but to flog the crap out of it to turn it round and get it back up on the firmer ground. The TC fought it the whole way and the front brakes were smoking, beats being bogged though. Since then I made a CDL lever, no issues now.

I know another example of a car bogging itself doing this, it was towing a camper trailer, also had no CDL.

That's just my experience, you can tell me I'm wrong 'til you're blue in the face, but I was driving, and yes I know it was unprepared blah blah, but you have to learn somehow... And this was a few years ago.

Well this thread went downhill quickly...

Yes it is better than being bogged and wouldnt be the first time traction aids have helped the unsuspecting.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Well this thread went downhill quickly...

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yep, maybe move the crap to the listen and learn section of the forum!, ohh we don't have one of them, maybe time. :D

If you're smoking brakes on sand via the ETC then your pressures are too high. This is even in the softest sand.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

If you're smoking brakes on sand via the ETC then your pressures are too high. This is even in the softest sand.

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Yeah... I know... Couldn't stop though.

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

Yeah... I know... Couldn't stop though.

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If you head to sand again take a mate in another 4wd for recovery if needed.
Find some soft stuff at normal tyre pressure and stop in the softest of the softest.
Get out and drop pressure down to 15-16 then without stomping on the go pedal, slowly drive away. You might be surprised!

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

It was a stock D2 Td5 Manual, without a CDL.

Driven down onto a beach that got softer and softer as I went down the access trail (hadn't aired down), high tide was up so all the sand was soft. There was no way to stop and air down without getting the thing bogged, and then there would have been no means of recovering it. Went in with the locals telling us the beach was usually firm... well not that day. So there was no option but to flog the crap out of it to turn it round and get it back up on the firmer ground. The TC fought it the whole way and the front brakes were smoking, beats being bogged though. Since then I made a CDL lever, no issues now.

I know another example of a car bogging itself doing this, it was towing a camper trailer, also had no CDL.

That's just my experience, you can tell me I'm wrong 'til you're blue in the face, but I was driving, and yes I know it was unprepared blah blah, but you have to learn somehow... And this was a few years ago.

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So, based on one unprepared drive where you didn't look closely enough at the conditions your stance is that all cars with traction control are ****?;)

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

It was a stock D2 Td5 Manual, without a CDL.

Driven down onto a beach that got softer and softer as I went down the access trail (hadn't aired down), high tide was up so all the sand was soft. There was no way to stop and air down without getting the thing bogged, and then there would have been no means of recovering it. Went in with the locals telling us the beach was usually firm... well not that day. So there was no option but to flog the crap out of it to turn it round and get it back up on the firmer ground. The TC fought it the whole way and the front brakes were smoking, beats being bogged though. Since then I made a CDL lever, no issues now.

I know another example of a car bogging itself doing this, it was towing a camper trailer, also had no CDL.

That's just my experience, you can tell me I'm wrong 'til you're blue in the face, but I was driving, and yes I know it was unprepared blah blah, but you have to learn somehow... And this was a few years ago.

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so, you are talking about two vehicles in soft sand without CDL's, one towing a trailer, the other driven in an "unprepared" state and extrapolating that experience to a D4 which does have a CDL and a far superior traction control system and "imagining" that it would be a "nightmare"? Really?

You seem like a smart fella Will but that statement doesn't support that.

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

That's what happens in VERY boggy soft sand without a CDL...

Oh ok, we've owned them **** loads longer than that, not to mention all the Land Rover dealer training courses dad went to... so not like I don't know my way around them, we have 2 right now.

And have a D4, but it just hauls the toys... by rough stuff I mean, when you don't have a nanocom, LLAMS, GOE wheels, manual CDL etc, the type of situations that electrickery can't handle... Mind you who would point an 80k motor car at that stuff.

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we've (not you), we've,
I'm old enough to know your comments are from inexperience and only from something you heard from someone else and I would imagine only what you actually paid attention too, being so young you don't always listen to everything, you may hear it but you don't always LISTEN.

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Originally Posted by MR LR jnr.

I've driven them on sand, didn't like how it did it though, the car seemed to want to dig a lot, it was in sand mode and (that 3 letter acronym which escapes me right now) was turned off, I don't like TC in sand at all.

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DSC is what your searching for, the D4 is 400kg heavier than a D2, of coarse it will not be as good in the sand, any heavy car will not be as good as it's lighter counterpart, but, the D4 is brilliant in sand for it's weight and the D4 in sand, DSC off, with sand mode selected the TC is doesn't work as hard and the throttle is sharpened, so driven properly, will do extremely well.

Oh and by the way, the Sydney Land Rover club did a test on sand using 3 vehicles, one with open diffs, one with open diffs and TC and one with lockers front and rear, all 3 were tested in the sand, climbing dunes and driving along the beach, there was virtually no difference between the vehicles.

In the test they had all 3 vehicle do X amount of goes at climbing a dune and in the end all 3 made it to about the same distance in all the attempts, in fact the vehicle equipped with TC made it the furthest, by half a wheel;)

Drive the car properly and TC won't be an issue, it all comes down to experience.

I have a wrinkly old arse too:p

Baz.