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    When I had my new 2.7 crate engine fitted I was told that the engine came with 12 months warranty.

    In my opinion its easy to get caught up fighting the honourable fight and trying to find out what oil or filter did what but time and money often gets spent on this. If its stuffed its stuffed, its a relatively old vehicle and it was brought second hand privately. So not sure what is to be gained by going down that path.
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    Hi Terry

    I don't know if you're referring to my post. If you were I'm not referring to attempting to get compensation/warranty out for the previous repairer/owner (although I would probably contact the previous owner and let them know about the failure - they may be compassionate and return some $ but don't count on it.)

    My question relates solely to a warranty from a Land Rover dealer when they fit a new replacement engine.

    Sometimes second hand engines come with a minimal warranty usually something like 30 days or 3 months.

    It is a question to be asked of the repairer.

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    Thanks everyone. This is one of the greatest communities. I am already getting lot of help and support. Knowledge is the power indeed.

    I contacted LR service to issue me a quote for conducting investigation steps suggested by Rich84. According to them, they couldn't manually start the engine and they believe the problem is with crank shaft and that it barely makes sense to replace it. They said they can only find out exactly what happened by pulling the engine apart, which is extra 8-10 hours of work.

    In addition, I've got a quote for brand new (with 1 year LR warranty) and second hand engine and installation work in order to be prepared for the worst and to be geared up with this info before I speak to seller. I hope he can cover part of the cost if it comes to engine replacement. At lest, he indicated that when I mentioned to him what happened to the car he had just sold to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    Hi Terry

    I don't know if you're referring to my post. If you were I'm not referring to attempting to get compensation/warranty out for the previous repairer/owner (although I would probably contact the previous owner and let them know about the failure - they may be compassionate and return some $ but don't count on it.)

    My question relates solely to a warranty from a Land Rover dealer when they fit a new replacement engine.

    Sometimes second hand engines come with a minimal warranty usually something like 30 days or 3 months.

    It is a question to be asked of the repairer.

    Diana

    Nope Diana, definitely wasn't referring to your post, I was referring to a number of other posts but not yours.


    As it would seam the case technoplague has just found out from LR service it will cost him around $1,000 in labour to find out that yes it is stuffed and what part failed. As I said earlier not sure what this achieves other than a larger bill.

    Having been through this myself there is no way I would buy a secondhand engine, new ones have come down dramatically in price and whether you buy new or secondhand one, one of the major costs is installation so why spend all of that money on possibly someone else's problem waiting to happen potentially in six months time, when for a few grand more you get a brand new engine that doesn't need a major service for 150,000 km?

    Good luck getting it sorted Tehno.
    Cheers,
    Terry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    My question relates solely to a warranty from a Land Rover dealer when they fit a new replacement engine.
    When in warranty, the replacement engine is covered for the time the actual car is in warranty.
    Fitted at 6 months old, it gets the remaining 2.5 years of warranty.
    Fitted at 2 years & 11 months, it gets 1 month warranty.

    Outside of warranty & LR cover the repair 100% as goodwill, then you get no warranty.
    However, if you contribute even just 1c to the repair, the engine comes with 12 months warranty as you have paid for part of the repair.
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    Thanks Terry, my response was more oriented around trying first to ensure that the engine is in fact toast and not just believing everything a dealer tells you. This mindset has saved me many many thousands of dollars in the half million km I've put on various cars. I'm not suggesting Mr. Technoplague spends $1000s to investigate why the engine failed; just a simple check of the oil and filter will cost very little at all. Above all I'm suggesting he makes sure the thing actually is failed first!

    Obviously if it has failed, it's too late and that's a bad thing. I was thinking he may have some recompense from whoever did the servicing as I don't know if (don't think) he has any legal protections from a private seller.

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    Thanks Rich, I followed your advice and asked to check filters. I got a reply that filters were installed properly. For oil inspection, it will cost ~700$, however it should also be in last service receipts that I've requested. As per engine cost, the difference between re-conditioned and brand new one is negligible. It is all going the worst path at this stage unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by technoplague View Post
    ... As per engine cost, the difference between re-conditioned and brand new one is negligible. It is all going the worst path at this stage unfortunately
    In which case go new and enjoy the peace of mind of the warranty.

    You will later be able to enjoy the vehicle, but we feel for you greatly just now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    In which case go new and enjoy the peace of mind of the warranty.

    You will later be able to enjoy the vehicle, but we feel for you greatly just now.
    So how much roughly is a new TDV6 fitted in a D3?

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    My sympathies to technoplague - probably an unfortunate pseudonym given the situation.

    Hopefully you will be smiling in a few days time.

    If you have the money or insurance to cover new engine then probably the best course.

    However, I share Rich84's curiosity. Given the way LR will charge for fact finding to put you off, otherwise whisk the engine away, leaves the community poorer in knowledge (and money).

    Sounds like there was no 'bang' ie no broken crank? Seized only, suggesting maybe fused to crank bearings, piston damage etc. Obviously there could be another cause entirely ie poor timing belt service - but we'll never know.

    Where D3/D4 owners have been able to check the internals to confirm, have any experienced a seized crank or the sound of a breaking crank?

    When the D3 came out I thought it was very well designed. Have LR finally cracked it quality wise I wondered?. Then the issue of rotating bearings emerged. Darn.

    My understanding is that the engineers use bearings on earlier engines that are not wide enough; use bearing cap pressure on slightly oversized diameter bearings in slightly undersized housings to keep the bearing in place; with no tab. After some time the bearing rotates and cuts off oil supply.

    For a proactive measure has anyone bought a good D3 then headed straight to a workshop to cut tab grooves and tab the bearings? Not possible?

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