Thread: D4 - 2 Year Service Cost

"low tech" is not something Id describe a Toyota 1VD-FTV engine (Land Cruiser) as being. Both the 1VD-FTV and for that matter the 1KD-FTV (N70 Hilux) engines are extremely high tech engines and its shows they are both smooth running and have bag loads of torque. Strip either of the Toyota engines down for repairs, there is plenty of tech there.

The 70 series Land Cruiser though has been around since the mid 80s and is as low tech as they come, leaf sprung suspension I had thought went out with the house and cart, apparently not and the price of a 70 series wagon, isnt it round $70K?

The 200 series Land Crusier again is as high tech as most modern 4WDrives, if you think not, do a river crossing in a 200 series, the results just from a few feet of water may surprise you as will the repair bill.

*Air Suspension = Toyota Kinetic Dynamic Suspension.
*Traction Control = Toyota Multi Terrain Select, Crawl, Down Hill Assist.

Brake wear is generally a driver input thing, hard drivers will chew out pads, rotors especially on vehicles with traction control and stability control.

Engines come, engines go, some use timing belts others chains *shrugs* I guess I prefer the use of a chain (as in my TD5), Merc engines in Jeeps use a chain, Toyota V8 petrol has a belt, hilux engine has a belt, land crusier engines in past have all been a belt, land rover 2.25 (yes the old old four cylinder) used a chain, most old school american engines use a chain. Your guess is as good as mine, cost? maybe.

I believe what you do get with a Toyota is good sound R&D as in things are generally thought out very well, which makes them easy to work on so service costs maybe lower.

Compare apples to apples.....

Regards
Daz

There's 6 computers in a 200 cruiser - hardly low tech.

Service interval for a 200 is 10,000km.

LR TDV6 and SDV6 is 24,000km

200 series requires oil level topped up regularly so ongoing cost.

In 100,000km a 200 will have 10 services.

In 100,000km a LR will have had 8 services.


Driver use as mentioned above has a huge influence on wear of a vehicle.

I know many who get sub 40k on Tyres. Several who seem to be always replacing brake pads and rotors.

Best of all, my corporate service pack sees me pay nothing for 3 yr/100,000km

Premium brands like it or not, come with premium prices.

Toyota go about it slightly differently - gouge you senseless on purchase price and then offer slightly better service value.

But break something out of warranty and see how the invoice looks.

The other factor - if you intend to buy a used 200 TV8 or keep one beyond 150k is that the service schedule calls for fuel system replacement at 150k..

I see no such requirement in the LR schedule.

Take a chill pill guys. The point of my post was simply to compare servicing costs.

The toyota V8 is not that high tech and no more susceptible to deep water crossings than the TDV6 Dagenham motor. Put both vehicles into deep water beyond their maximum wading depth and all bets are off. I have studied this motor in some detail and its not any more high tech than any other modern diesel.

Why I said the 200 series is low tech is because it has no where near the amount of electrical complexity of the D3/D4. If the battery is very flat, it doesn't have the same sort of impact to the functioning of the vehicle.

KDSS is very simple, no electronics. No SLS, no EPB, and radio can be left on for hours without the engine failing to start. No DPFs, no fancy Terrain Response system. No constant high electrical draw on the battery.

Back to the original post, the service cost is undeniably outrageous. $1000 for a glorified oil change, so I wonder what a major service would cost. Hate to think what it would cost to take the body off to perform a rear timing belt change.

Finally, there is nothing in the Toyota service handbook that says the fuel system needs to be replaced at 150.000 kms. And oil is cheap so no big deal if it requires a top up, which it incidentally doesn't once the engine has been fully run in.

And fair point - comparing a 200 series to a D4 is not an apples to apples comparison. The two vehicles are very different in design and philosophy.

I guess my point was "low tech" really did end with the 100 series Land Cruiser turbo diesel engine and the Land Rover 300tdi engine, Anything after that as far as 4WDs go is high tech.

Yes, service costs do seem to be outragous from dealers for the Land Rover product yet most specialist repairers, the prices seem to float round that $400 - $500 depending on model.

Toyota with fixed price servicing does seem cheaper, although customers have told me its only to a set km's? 40K or so? Add to that, there isnt many repairers that say no to doing a service on a Toyota, so competition is the consumers friend.

You dont remove the body.... rear timing belt is done in situ, dealer price, obviously includes front belt (in Perth, no guess who there) is $2800.00

Regards
Daz

Good to know that the body does to need to come off for the rear timing belt. I think I read this somewhere on the disco3 UK forum, but that may be only applicable to LHD vehicles.

For $2800, I assume this is BOTH front & rear belts plus new oil pump!

Apparently if the front belt breaks when the engine is running, it's all over, red Rover. But if the rear belt breaks, the engine just stops, no damage.

I haven't been on this forum in some time but have come back as I am doing some research into the reliability and cost of maintenance of the TDV6 motor. Would like to see if I can get into a D4 for the missus when the used prices come down some more, especially when the new model arrives.

Thanks for all the useful info.

The rear belt is only for the HP fuel pump and is not timed and the new oil pump housing is only needed for up to a particular model year. My 3.0 D4 will be due for new belts in about 12 months and I'll be doing the job myself.

Graeme, hope you are built slightly in the arms etc, reaching that FP belt is a nightmare, could be done in half the time with about 50mm more clearance....
Get yourself a good LED torch and mirror, too.

JC