Thread: Recovery points and liability.

the fittings are bolted to the chassis and do not use the recovery points.

What happens when someone who does not know what he is doing attaches the snatch strap in a recovery:

The Cruiser quite bogged -


The bottom of the bullbar ripped off -


Yes there where proper recovery points, but alas the Nissan driver attached the snatch strap to the bull bar instead, the Cruiser driver could not get out his door. So he stayed in the car, he got out the passenger side after the accident.



The shackle created the hole! perhaps the saving grace was the steel bull bar section hit across the rear door stopping the shackle going any further into the Patrol. Lesson learnt by the driver, luckily no one was injured or killed.

That's how easily this can happen, don't assume anything. The Cruiser driver should of checked the attachment points prior to the first attempt.

The Cruiser driver should of checked the attachment points prior to the first attempt.

I disagree - the cruiser driver and patrol driver should have used the correct recovery technique in the first place. THAT was never a good option for dynamic recovery. (At least someone was doing a council worker impersonation and leaning on a shovel. perhaps insufficient training though )

Dynamic recoveries create dynamic and "uncontrollable" loads. Put the snatch strap away or use it to drag firewood. With a controlled static recovery with some digging and road building I would have pulled that cruiser out using a single M10 rated eye bolt connected to the very same bar that ejected into the patrol. The failure in the above scenario WAS NOT THE RECOVERY POINT the failure was the technique used.

Thatll do

Steve

Next attempt, the shovels did come out before any recovery attempt was made. More so he was recovered backwards, Quite easily but not without some force as the diffs where on the surface.

RR what would you have used instead of s snatch strap? Black snakes still have some stretch...a rated chain?

Cheers

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Dynamic recoveries create dynamic and "uncontrollable" loads. Put the snatch strap away or use it to drag firewood.

I disagree, there is nothing uncontrollable about dynamic recovery. They are as safe or unsafe as they people performing them.

That LR video is cool but look at the mounts used...and its static. Iove the LR vids for their models but lets not get too caught up in the hype. Recovery is so much different especially using stock mounts. Cheers

Originally Posted by roverrescue

The Cruiser driver should of checked the attachment points prior to the first attempt.

I disagree - the cruiser driver and patrol driver should have used the correct recovery technique in the first place. THAT was never a good option for dynamic recovery. (At least someone was doing a council worker impersonation and leaning on a shovel. perhaps insufficient training though )

Dynamic recoveries create dynamic and "uncontrollable" loads. Put the snatch strap away or use it to drag firewood. With a controlled static recovery with some digging and road building I would have pulled that cruiser out using a single M10 rated eye bolt connected to the very same bar that ejected into the patrol. The failure in the above scenario WAS NOT THE RECOVERY POINT the failure was the technique used.

Thatll do

Steve

I don't disagree that the recovery attempt was poorly done. But why is a snatch strap not acceptable?

Perhaps they had no car mounted winch on any of the vehicles. and perhaps no hand winch either.

An exhaust jack probably would have been good in that situation, but those things are really bulky to cart around.

Maybe all that had between them was a snatch strap and shovels.

What approach would you have used Steve?