Real world TDV6 vs SDV6

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Originally Posted by DiscoFan

Well, drove the TDV6 and SDV6 back to back today to get a seat of the pants comparison.

As others have said, if I'd just driven the TDV6, I'd be stoked with it. Smooth, powerful and refined with the 8 speed.

But, as others have also said, the SDV6 is a pearla. Despite noticeably more lag from a standstill, the mid range grunt is addictive. Interesting that peak torque comes in 500rpm earlier in the TDV6. I definitely noticed that.

Will have to see what sort of deals they're prepared to do before deciding. Think I'd be happy with either engine.

Seems people are picking D4s up for well under the published RRPs. Is it worth waiting until end of financial year? Have others had success around this time of year?

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Hi,

I have an MY10 3.0L and a MY13 SDV6 SE. Almost the same performance numbers but the MY13 feels quicker and more powerful, which I'm associating with the gearing. It's definitely noticeably smoother.

What I was going to say though is, I don't like the MY13 at very low speeds and taking off from zero at all. The older D4 generally takes off in second and I'm surmising the new one does too. But I'd wager that second in the new one is lower than the old (due to having two more cogs).

The end result is a very harsh off idle experience, which can be quite a handful. I'm guessing the lower gearing allows the engine to spool up faster. But it's not like a super performance car that has a direct link from acceleration to the position of the accelerator pedal. This is a slight lag and then Holy Crap .... If you accelerate really slowly it's fine, but pulling out into traffic is not such a good experience.

The older D4s have been criticised for 'thinking' about what to do when idling up to a roundabout for instance and the driver then gives it a Welly full. Result being a horrible lag and then push back in the seat as it spools up. I find the MY13 worse than my old one in this regard. The lag is slightly less but the 'hit' feels a lot harder when it comes. Once rolling above 20 or 30KPH ... from that point on, it is absolutely awesome ....

I'm hoping it will settle down, as the car has only done 2K and I vaguely remember the LR Service Rep in the Valley mentioning something about re-doing software if I have an issue with something. It was a rushed conversation so I didn't take it all in ... but I'm now thinking that this is what he was referring to.

Anyway, I'll give it a few more Ks to settle down and then if it hasn't, I'll take it in for once over.

Cheers,

Kev.

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Hi, I have an MY10 3.0L and a MY13 SDV6 SE. Almost the same performance numbers but the MY13 feels quicker and more powerful, which I'm associating with the gearing. It's definitely noticeably smoother. What I was going to say though is, I don't like the MY13 at very low speeds and taking off from zero at all. The older D4 generally takes off in second and I'm surmising the new one does too. But I'd wager that second in the new one is lower than the old (due to having two more cogs). The end result is a very harsh off idle experience, which can be quite a handful. I'm guessing the lower gearing allows the engine to spool up faster. But it's not like a super performance car that has a direct link from acceleration to the position of the accelerator peddle. This is a slight lag and then Holy Crap .... The older D4s have been criticised for 'thinking' about what to do when idling up to a roundabout for instance and the driver then gives it a Welly full. Result being a horrible lag and then push back in the seat as it spools up. I find the MY13 worse than my old one in this regard. The lag is slightly less but the 'hit' feels a lot harder when it comes. I'm hoping it will settle down, as the car has only done 2K and I vaguely remember the LR Service Rep in the Valley mentioning something about re-doing software if I have an issue with something. It was a rushed conversation so I didn't take it all in ... but I'm now thinking that this is what he was referring to. Anyway, I'll give it a few more Ks to settle down and then if it hasn't, I'll take it in for once over. Cheers, Kev.

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I like your 'old' D4 too. ;)

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Originally Posted by rar110

I like your 'old' D4 too. ;)

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I like my old D4 too but regard it as still very new as its only 4 years old and only done 130K.

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Originally Posted by Graeme

I like my old D4 too but regard it as still very new as its only 4 years old and only done 130K.

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Trying to transition from 20th to 21st century (ie from a 1989 110). A D4 SE is too flash for me (although I really like the look of the touch screen & resulting simplicity of center dash).

Also finance director says we should sell the 110 and have a 6 mth land rover break. In response I dropped my fly and handed her the chicken cutters.

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Originally Posted by rar110

Trying to transition from 20th to 21st century (ie from a 1989 110). A D4 SE is too flash for me (although I really like the look of the touch screen & resulting simplicity of center dash).

Also finance director says we should sell the 110 and have a 6 mth land rover break. In response I dropped my fly and handed her the chicken cutters.

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OMG .... :o

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Originally Posted by garrycol

That is because it does not exist - the throttle is closed - nothing more.

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Yep, that's it in a nut shell.

Nice drive though, compared to my RRS TDV6 2.7 6 spd, the D4 is awesome, I too noticed considerable lag, almost wanting to back out of pulling out manoeuvre, but when it gets going all is OK.

Soooo, just for fun, took the new Vogue with TDV8 on the same route, it's got a bit of hesitation, but OMFG, I thought I was in an R8 on stilts with each tyre firmly putting that power down, launching across the T-junction when entering....

If they had that engine in the D4, it would be One Mean Machine. WHY DONT THEY DO IT?

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Originally Posted by Greatsouthernland

Yep, that's it in a nut shell.

Nice drive though, compared to my RRS TDV6 2.7 6 spd, the D4 is awesome, I too noticed considerable lag, almost wanting to back out of pulling out manoeuvre, but when it gets going all is OK.

Soooo, just for fun, took the new Vogue with TDV8 on the same route, it's got a bit of hesitation, but OMFG, I thought I was in an R8 on stilts with each tyre firmly putting that power down, launching across the T-junction when entering....

If they had that engine in the D4, it would be One Mean Machine. WHY DONT THEY DO IT?

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I don't think there is any issue with the engine in a D4 ... far from it. It has more than enough punch in either the 180Kw (older) or the 183Kw 3.0L. Put it in sports mode or manually drive it and all these issues just about vanish. There are times when pick up is completely predictable and instant. LR just need to get their **** sorted with the software that makes the box and engine 'talk' to each other.

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

I don't think there is any issue with the engine in a D4 ... far from it. It has more than enough punch in either the 180Kw (older) or the 183Kw 3.0L. Put it in sports mode or manually drive it and all these issues just about vanish. There are times when pick up is completely predictable and instant. LR just need to get their **** sorted with the software that makes the box and engine 'talk' to each other.

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That's a good point, if using 'command shift' you are right, should help. Guess it's not the first thing I think of when pulling out after cruising along in D most of the time :)

I'm not saying anything is wrong with D4 engine at all. I LOVE it. Remember I'm coming from 400Nm in my previous rig. But I am in absolute awe of the TDV8.

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Originally Posted by Greatsouthernland

That's a good point, if using 'command shift' you are right, should help. Guess it's not the first thing I think of when pulling out after cruising along in D most of the time :)

I'm not saying anything is wrong with D4 engine at all. I LOVE it. Remember I'm coming from 400Nm in my previous rig. But I am in absolute awe of the TDV8.

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Probably shouldn't, but I am now in the habit of reaching down and pushing the lever over (D3) whenever I take off from slow or stopped and whenever I overtake or if a speed limit increases and I want to punch it. I don't even think about it I just do it automatically.

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Originally Posted by AnD3rew

Probably shouldn't, but I am now in the habit of reaching down and pushing the lever over (D3) whenever I take off from slow or stopped and whenever I overtake or if a speed limit increases and I want to punch it. I don't even think about it I just do it automatically.

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I do exactly the same thing, which is a lot easier in the older model with the stick shifter.