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    RedArc TowPro

    Firstly, thank you for this thread as it appears as though I might very well be several hundred dollars better off due to not needing to install a recently purchased LED pulse buster into my new MY14...for those of you that need one for a pre-MY14 keep an eye on the markets section....

    So....I've trawled through the very helpful thread initiated by Sniegy and a number of other related ones but still have a question about EBCs, specifically in relation to the power output of the Redarc TowPro that I'm about to attempt installing....

    I am clear on the wiring procedure described by Sniegy.

    My question concerns the power output of the TowPro, the current rating of the wire needing to be installed from the unit to the rear wiring loom &
    the current rating of the D4 wiring between where the wire is spliced in to to pin 5 in the plug.

    The TowPro states that the max current of the unit in a 12V setup is 25amps does anyone know if this is the current draw from the battery to the unit - or does this mean that the wiring used to connect to the rear wiring loom also needs to be >= 25 amps?

    I'm not clear on this as even if the wiring used to connect to the rear wiring loom also needs to be >= 25 amp, it is my understanding that the actual LR wiring loom that is being tapped into has a max capacity of 15amps.

    I have 6mm2 dual core (instantaneous max capacity of 50amp, continuous capacity of around >= 38amps due to heat) but am wondering if this is overkill and if 10-15 amp wire could be used.

    Thanks in anticipation.
    RickO

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    Quote Originally Posted by discotwinturbo View Post
    I purchased a couple of these resistors and wired one in parallel on two trailers driver side indicator......and to date none have worked. Have checked, and rechecked, left it for a month or so, then tried again....yet still I cannot get the resistor to cause the trailer lights to work.

    Pulse buster works fine.

    I must be doing something wrong.

    And I do all my own wiring on all of my cars, always working well.....but this has got me beat.

    Brett.....
    Pulsebuster is not doing all its supposed to as a resistor should not be needed as well unless your vehicle is like mine whereby the resistance of some trailer globes is too high to trigger the indicator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discotwinturbo View Post
    Okay. So cut the indicator cable on the trailer and place resistor in series ?

    Brett....
    Got it in one. Make sure it is in series.

    But, as Graeme said, you shouldn't need the Pulsebuster and the resistor, unless you have something quirky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil135 View Post
    Might be your problem, right there.

    On mine, the leads from the resistor make the only connection for the RHS indicator circuit. So, from the plug, into the box, and then to the socket, that the trailer plug goes into.

    Remember, electricity is lazy. It takes the path of least resistance, and so, if you have it in parallel, the resistor isn't doing anything.
    Interesting Basil, all other solutions talk of presenting a lower resistance to the cars circuitry which involves placing a resistor in parallel. LEDs present far greater resistance than the resistor (globe) which is why the issue exists. If wired in parallel, the resistor will allow the correct(increased) current flow on the indicator circuit to enable the cars systems to detect the presence of the trailer. Wiring them in series would not achieve anything I believe.

    I would say that Brett is on the right track with the approach he is taking, there must be some other issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    Interesting Basil, all other solutions talk of presenting a lower resistance to the cars circuitry which involves placing a resistor in parallel. LEDs present far greater resistance than the resistor (globe) which is why the issue exists. If wired in parallel, the resistor will allow the correct(increased) current flow on the indicator circuit to enable the cars systems to detect the presence of the trailer. Wiring them in series would not achieve anything I believe.

    I would say that Brett is on the right track with the approach he is taking, there must be some other issue.
    The way I understood it, was that the LED's were not drawing enough for the car to detect a trailer was connected.

    By placing the resistor in series, the current draw is increased, which is why it gets hot, and hence, the car see's the trailer connected.

    Just had a thought. I have built my box with the resistor in series with the indicator circuit, so that there is no option for the current, but to flow thru the resistor. When people are talking about connecting it in parallel, are they taking one side of the resistor lead to earth, and the other to the active side of the LED? The way I read the original post, I understood it as being in parallel to the indicator wiring, essentially running alongside the normal wire. Which is why it wouldn't be doing anything. Just wondering if this is where the difference is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil135 View Post
    The way I understood it, was that the LED's were not drawing enough for the car to detect a trailer was connected.

    By placing the resistor in series, the current draw is increased, which is why it gets hot, and hence, the car see's the trailer connected.

    Just had a thought. I have built my box with the resistor in series with the indicator circuit, so that there is no option for the current, but to flow thru the resistor. When people are talking about connecting it in parallel, are they taking one side of the resistor lead to earth, and the other to the active side of the LED? The way I read the original post, I understood it as being in parallel to the indicator wiring, essentially running alongside the normal wire. Which is why it wouldn't be doing anything. Just wondering if this is where the difference is?
    Basil, it is opposite to your understanding. Your understanding of series and parallel is correct though your understanding of the difference between the two is incorrect. Resistance in series will reduce current flow but in parallel will increase current flow.

    Here's a video that provides an analogy using toll booths to explain parallel and series circuits (I hope I don't come across as being condescending):

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqCI6liUaME]Series and Parallel Circuits (Tollbooth Analogy) - YouTube[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme View Post
    Pulsebuster is not doing all its supposed to as a resistor should not be needed as well unless your vehicle is like mine whereby the resistance of some trailer globes is too high to trigger the indicator.
    Hi Graeme,

    Pulse buster works fine.

    I have the same issue on my Touareg so was trying to avoid using my temporary pulse buster that I carry around for it....Disco is hard wired.

    But I turned the Disco pulse buster off and then tried the two trailers with the resistor in parallel on the drivers side indicator cable at the rear of the mounted trailer lights and trailer lights don't work....just faint blinking.

    The same method is supposed to work with the Touareg but no joy. Both resistors are the narva 12/24 volt ones

    So I am doing some thing wrong.....unless I have two failed resistors from the pack which would be unlikely.

    Brett...

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    Quote Originally Posted by discotwinturbo View Post
    Hi Graeme,

    Pulse buster works fine.

    I have the same issue on my Touareg so was trying to avoid using my temporary pulse buster that I carry around for it....Disco is hard wired.

    But I turned the Disco pulse buster off and then tried the two trailers with the resistor in parallel on the drivers side indicator cable at the rear of the mounted trailer lights and trailer lights don't work....just faint blinking.

    The same method is supposed to work with the Touareg but no joy. Both resistors are the narva 12/24 volt ones

    So I am doing some thing wrong.....unless I have two failed resistors from the pack which would be unlikely.

    Brett...
    Brett how many Ohms are your resistors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBD4 View Post
    Brett how many Ohms are your resistors?
    Sean, it's a 21watt led load resistor...don't know the ohms though.

    I just saw a pic online showing one side of the resistor on the power going into the lamp, and the other side of the resistor going to the earth wire on the lamp.

    I have a wire from resistor diverted off the current line into the lamp, 10cm from the lamp, then the other side of the resistor going back into the current line, 5cm from the lamp.

    I think my parallel is in the wrong spot ?

    Thanks for your help

    Brett...

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    Quote Originally Posted by discotwinturbo View Post
    Sean, it's a 21watt led load resistor...don't know the ohms though.

    I just saw a pic online showing one side of the resistor on the power going into the lamp, and the other side of the resistor going to the earth wire on the lamp.

    I have a wire from resistor diverted off the current line into the lamp, 10cm from the lamp, then the other side of the resistor going back into the current line, 5cm from the lamp.

    I think my parallel is in the wrong spot ?

    Thanks for your help

    Brett...
    Brett, That is fine, the resistor can be placed anywhere on the +ve and -ve wires as long as it connects to the same wires as the LEDs.

    Check if you have the 24V version of the resistor as it will present 4 times the resistance than required for a 12v circuit (27.4 Ohms vs 6.8 ) so may be too high to achieve the result.
    Cheers,

    Sean

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