Thread: Beadbreaker vs 6th Rim For A D4

Jon, I have an R&R and I'm not sure how useable it is on alloy rims. I found it good on my old steel rims on my early Series Landie but a pain to use on alloys of my RRC because of the way the long bolt has to be fitted.

I've never tried it on my P38A rims.

Do you have an opportunity to try one before buying one?

If you want to try mine, you're most welcome to do so.

EDIT: I just had a look at the R&R website and it looks like they have addressed the problem of using it on alloy rims and have a hub anchor kit. I probably need that but I won't bother as I no longer use the tool.

For me, i would just take the 2nd spare on a rim,only in very remote areas,you may need an R&R as well.

i wouldn't take a bead breaker instead of the second spare,to much of a PITA to change a tyre,it is no easy task.And as said no real weight advantage.

Also depends on the tyres you are running and where you are going.

You would be unlucky to wreck two tyres,plugs are pretty handy for temporary repairs as well.

Still getting a good run out of 19's?

Originally Posted by scarry

i wouldn't take a bead breaker instead of the second spare,to much of a PITA to change a tyre,it is no easy task.And as said no real weight advantage.

This is what I'm now thinking. Previous vehicles I've usually run 6 rims - I like having 2 spares even around town as it makes them easy to rotate. On the D4 I've just carried an extra tyre as so far our trips have been pretty tame and have relied on being able to get tyres changed if required within a days drive. I like to keep the weight down as much as possible, but next year I am planning on going a little further afield so want to be more self sufficient.

Originally Posted by scarry

Still getting a good run out of 19's?

Can't complain. No problems offroad although I've had a bit of bad luck around town running over screws.

However I want to order some 18"s in the new year, for that extra bit of confidence in remote areas. Just trying to decide on how many.

Cheers,
Jon

I carry both the R+R nd the tyre pliers.

with a small compressor a set of tyre levers, both breakers, a patchnplug and spaghetti kit its about 8kg.

if you decide to go the breaker way grab yourself some PFTE pads or some of the PFTE BBQ plate protector sheets that you cn cut into section to glue onto the jaws to help protect the rims

be warned,

Tyre swapping is an art and if you dont practice it regularly ish you can wind up with an expensive set of toys that you will sell off to someone like me at quite a loss to yourself shortly after the first time you dont get it right when you need to..

in this day and age This sort of gear is the kind of gear that you either have as part of a clubs shareable kit for big trips or that you have nutter mates like me who like to do the trips for the fixes (and the gratuity meals and beers that come with them cause Im too busy fixing to cook)

I have a 2nd spare for general use and tame travelling but must be able to R&R tyres to insert and repair tubes when remote area travelling so intend getting a Piranah Tyre Jaws. My home made breaker is not portable enough.

I doubt the manual tools are any good on a D4 rim,have you ever watched a tyre shop change tyres with their machines on a D2 rim???? Its not easy,they have a very long centre section in the rims obviously to clear brakes.Makes changing them pretty hard.
I recently got a brand new 235/85 MTR changed,it had been on the rim for 4 years but never on the road.They couldnt remove it with the standard tyre machine,had to take it out the back and use the truck machine!!!!!
Andrew

One only needs to start at the right spot (valve) with D2 rims to break the bead.

Jon, you need the heavy duty R&R Beadbreaker for LR alloys(all alloys really) the backspace and offset is to great/less for the normal R&R.

I can say that removing the tyre from the LR alloy is a pain in the arse, I have done it on a RRS 19" alloy, took a lot of strength and I wrecked the rim in the process, also I watched Dave(Blknight.aus) take the tyre off a D2 alloy with tyrepliers, it looked hard and it took a lot of effort to do it.

It's the factory beadlock that makes it hard, so as I'm not as strong as I used to be, I have a second spare

Baz.