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  1. 28th June 2015, 09:49 AM #61
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    And the maximum axle weight for the rear one is 1,855kg (front is 1,450) and yes - if you add them together you get an extra 65kg capacity.

    People upgrade their 200 Landcruisers and with Auto engineer approvals they get away with it. But ... their rear axle maximum is 1950kg. OK, that is heaver than a Disco's 1855kg. But not by that much actually ... And I reckon those dual wheel carriers on 200's with their heavy wheels and tyres (which remove weight from their front axles) would be over their limit on their rear axles, despite auto engineer re-ratings of the whole carrying capacity of the vehicles.

    But that stuff should be in a F250/GMC/Silverado thread!! But when you add a rear carrier, you take off weight from the front axle, because the carrier is behind the rear axle. Its a simple formula to work out, based on the wheelbase. For instance, on the Disco, if you add 350kg on the toe ball with a trailer, then the load added to the Disco (standard tongue length) is an extra 500 kg to the rear axle (and 150kg off the front axle) , not including the toe tonque weight either.

    Does anybody know the front rear balance on a Disco's tare weight? I reckon its 55% on the front ... but I am only guessing ...
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  2. 29th June 2015, 12:02 PM #62
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    Remember to factor in that the European definition of "kerb weight" includes the driver and 60 ltr of fuel.

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  3. 29th June 2015, 12:18 PM #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbourne Park View Post
    Yes, I've seen the pics! Great!

    But ...

    Let's do my numbers then, I guess mine must be wrong.

    D4 GVM is 3,240, less its tare of 2,558 = all up legal 680kg carrying weight.

    Take off 350kg toe ball , and you have only 330kg left. I've included the tonque weight in that 350kg.

    Add two passengers at 160kg, and you have 170kg left.

    Add a tank of fuel in the main tank which weighs 70kg and you've got 100kg left.

    104 litres of fuel in a long range tank and that is 90kg. You've 10kg left. I've not included the weight of a tank. Lets say you've used some fuel then.

    Add you're extra wheel and tyre @ 33kg snd the carrier at 7kg, and your 30kg over the limit.

    Add 25kg for the spare front battery and your 55kg over.

    Add a fridge with food in the back at 45kg, and your now 100kg over.

    IMO its better to put the diesel in the trailer and you'll be legal.

    Any good news here? Well ... a 200 is 80 kg worse off, until they are upgraded. Then, they are 160kg better off. They need to carry more fuel though because they use more fuel.

    Also LR Australia won't provide a brake kit ... why not? They actually say that their D4 will handle 3500kg towing without one. Illegal of course not have a proper setup. Yep I spoke to LR Australia. And guess what, their standard towing approval in the UK has three levels: 750kg, 3,500kg and 4,000kg. All quite confusing actually ... maximum toe ball is always 350kg though.
    Well done.. You've written one of my previous threads almost verbatim...

    Except I correctly factored the Driver and Fuel in



    This is a tangent to the original discussion about fuel tank behind/in front/above/below the axle... one that is GCM/ATM/GVM based not "where should the weight go" based.


    Remember also to factor in; most people with a SWC & LRT also have a BB....
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  4. 29th June 2015, 03:37 PM #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Remember also to factor in; most people with a SWC & LRT also have a BB....
    What do the letters stand for??

    My main point though ... if you are towing, then its best to put the extra fuel into your trailer, if you add the numbers up.

    IMO too, I'd prefer to have an extra fuel load forward of the rear axle, but it seems there isn't room?

    And do you know the weight distribution of a D3 or D4 in tare condition? Often manufacturers supply that information but I have not been able to find Land Rovers figures.
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  5. 29th June 2015, 03:53 PM #65
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    Spare Wheel Carrier
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    No, I can not find the distributed split either. And mines so modified I doubt I could do it justice on a weigh bridge.

    Either way - I wholeheartedly agree that when loading a vehicle one must be aware of what is going where. And to pack appropriately.

    It is a true reality that many of the rigs are over GVM/Axle loading.
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  6. 16th July 2015, 09:51 AM #66
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    My first Reliability Issue

    I made a call out to Land Rover two weeks ago! I had run the vehicle before leaving my home, I had checked the electrical outlets to my van, with the motor running. Then I drove out to pick something up, and I had a big issue with the Disco.

    A third party answered, and queried a few things.

    But then I did not need them ...

    I had an appointment, and had dropped in to buy an LCD resister device for my trailer before a long conference was due.

    When I turned the Disco off - I could not find my keys!! I could not lock the car, but also, I would not be able to start it.

    So I rang the Land Rover assistance number.

    However - when I pushed the starter, the motor started ... so the keys were somewhere hidden in the car. I found them in between the front passenger seat and the central binnacle.

    I think I need to put some foam rubber into that gap - its not easy to fish things out of there, or see them.

    I wonder whether Land Rover will score unreliability points for total driver stupidity (being mine)?



    PS - I was not late!!! I'm not sure if the vehicle could have been started either by someone without the keys.
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  7. 16th July 2015, 11:46 AM #67
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    Had the same happen to me... Had bounced out the console and down the passengers footwell...

    Caused some anxiety I can assure you!
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  8. 16th July 2015, 12:09 PM #68
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    Yep, I've had similar happen, plus other non-vehicle things, so I'm obsessive about my keys now - they are only ever in one of 3 places:


    1. In my pocket
    2. In the ignition
    3. Bedside


    I never put keys anywhere else. I can't believe people let their kids play with their keys, considering how much they cost to replace and how inconvenient it is to lose them.
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