Where the LR's & RR's are in Australia (Stats)

**PAT303** · 28th October 2015, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ADMIRAL

Well, according to that graph, Mandurah ( 6210 ) is the LR capital of Australia. I see a lot around, but I didn't think there was that many. It would be interesting to see the criteria behind the data.

I'm in Safety Bay and there's 6 defenders within a km of me plus a number of D1-D2's RRC's and at least one P38a,D3's-4's aren't hard to find plus a healthy number of Evoques,the fruit shop owner up the road has a RRS. Pat

**digger** · 29th October 2015, 01:51 AM

It is done by the first name in the suburb list...

so for my area where the largest town starts with W and the next area starts with either R or T the postcode includes about 9 long gone or never were towns also.. and BOOLGUN is the winner.

So if you are in a multiname postcode look for the first alphabetically.

Use the SMH link and select "check by make" then specify all states (or just yours) the legend on the right of the graph indicates what colour is what state (eg SA is cambridge blue). Then hover the cursor over the one you are looking at it will tell you how many in the suburb. remember, listed in the state order as alongside the graph so same numbers for each suburb will list in that state order..

Goes all the way down to 3!!!

**Melbourne Park** · 29th October 2015, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by BMKal

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As far as turning circle goes, the D4 is 11.45m, the Prado 150 only slightly wider than that at 11.6m and the Land Cruiser 200 marginally wider again at 11.8m so I don't really see that as being a major consideration. The Ford was in a slightly different ballpark, with a turning circle of 12.2m though it did have typically American VERY light power steering.

None of my Disco's or Prado's has ever had reversing cameras or parking guidelines - but they all had mirrors.

I like to reverse park - back in. Guidelines mean that you can do it quicker. And reversing cameras are a great idea, if your reverse. For one, they show things low down, such as small children. And if you don't check for those by going slower - well, you should.

Tombie · 29th October 2015, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

I like to reverse park - back in. Guidelines mean that you can do it quicker. And reversing cameras are a great idea, if your reverse. For one, they show things low down, such as small children. And if you don't check for those by going slower - well, you should.

BM and I *have* to reverse park - it's SOP for our work.
The concept of reverse parking is to check the area is clear before backing in, followed by making it easier to see forward as you drive out...

Guidelines don't make reversing into a parking space quicker - mirrors and knowing how to drive do...

Agree on checking for small children etc, except - that while you're watching a screen with guidelines - you're not looking towards mirrors external to the vehicle - and unlikely to see the kid run towards (and potentially under) your front tyre as you turn whilst reversing.

Front guard damage seems to be the more recent phenomenon as people only watch the screens view from the camera and not the entire vehicles behaviour.

**Melbourne Park** · 29th October 2015, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

What the heck?!

SUV sized parks? For what? ******* who can't drive?

The "biggest" of the usual suspects is only 100mm longer and 80mm wider than a Commodore... And has a turning circle within 400mm as well...

There are several "standard" family cars with the same dimensions - and they don't ask for special sized spaces...

People who can not put a vehicle safely in a standard parking space should either re-train or cease driving...

Prado has plenty of visibility for parking it, big mirrors, easy proportions..... Light steering....

We throw them around all the time - using mirrors...

Try backing a 785 - which plenty of guys and girls do every day - in a precise spot - using only mirrors... Then come back here with an excuse

Where the LR's & RR's are in Australia (Stats)

Real drivers change the gears themselves.

But ... as far as the 200 Series goes - I could not get it up my driveway gate. I have electric gates from the fence to the house, where the house starts. Its a 1920's two story place. When I folded the 200 series mirrors, there was 1.5" gap between the posts. So if the vehicle was crooked, the gap was too narrow, even with the mirrors folded.

Now - the Disco went in, with room to spare. The figures say the Disco is wider - but it is not. I know this for a fact.

Another issue with Toyota - do people know the wide Camry with the big fat rear tail lights? Made until 2006? Well - its width is said by Toyota, to be less than a Golf's. I have parked this Camry (I own one) directly behind a Golf. And the Camry is much wider. It looks wider, in a golf i can touch the passenger door easily from the driver's seat, but in the Camry I cannot - it is wider - but Toyota says it is narrower than Golf!!!

For a Toyota - drive it first!!! And don't forget to fix the suspension after buying.

But what is a 785? I can reverse park my LR with a Matrix AOR van, back into a street with few cars along it - and yes, the van has a camera lens on it, otherwise it would be IMO dangerous due to the possibility of people ... it would be easier though, if the graphics from the van pack were available to Australians. I don't have to have it, but it would be lovely to have it. Same too with the reversing guidelines, and the trailer coupling reversing aid that crops the camera view to the tow ball. You can say we don't need them - but they are great aids.

The coles car park in Double Bay, has larger spaces for its clientele. Its called knowing your customer. That's good business. Up the hill resides the new PM too. Actually, he's a few hills away, up towards the heads. I'm a Melbournian, so please correct me. He's an ex dinghy sailor too. But not a good one, so he's said.

There are large cars in Brighton - a Rolls Royce (actually its a Bentley but that means its made by the people who built Rolls Royces) parks down the lower level, because the owner can get some space around it.

Coming up from the lower car park, there is a tight turn, and a post in the middle because the turn is so tight, you can run into the downwards lane while you drive up. The post is rubber. its lost its paint, and they have only just put the post in, because people have been complaining. With a 200, you cannot turn until your rear wheels are clear of a wall, that is the start of the curving ramp.

And its a GP event getting in and out. You don't want to muck around - you need to pick your spot which is illuminated (green lights above the spot show the spot is empty), you charge over and slot in. Don't delay, or you'll loose it.

I still have a Prado too, and its smaller than the current 150 form factor. But its not as easy to park because it lacks the screens and parking guidelines.

One day we'll get out of our cars at the entrance, and the car will park itself.

Tombie · 29th October 2015, 02:56 PM

This is a 785

We reverse them into work bays through doors that are 4' wider than they are!
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And I know how to change gears too! And we back these as well...
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I also drive the Prado 150, LC 200s, Hiluxs, Rangers, LC Traybacks, Goannas, Franners etc..

And the Hitachi and Liebherr diggers.

Quite versatile! And not a guidance line in sight!!!!

**BMKal** · 29th October 2015, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Melbourne Park

The figures say the Disco is wider - but it is not. I know this for a fact.

So you know better than the published dimensions from Land Rover and Toyota, hey.

Dream on.

And I dunno where "it is said by Toyota" that the width of the wide body Camry is less than that of a VW Golf - when Toyota's published width for this vehicle is 1,825mm and VW's published width for the Golf is 1,799mm (and that's for the 7th generation Golf, which is 13mm wider than the previous model).

And yeah - there's a wide body Camry in the shed out the back yard as well.

Tombie · 29th October 2015, 04:10 PM

You keep saying you DO need them Doug! That's the whole point... You continue to claim that without them the vehicles are too difficult to drive/park.
I have managed to hitch my van, boat, trailers for 4 years without all these gadgets (low end screen) without issue by knowing where the vehicles extremities are.
My last Disco had a camera - yes it was handy - but I could function without it.

Core skills are important - after that the tech just makes it easy... I still need to know how to do these tasks manually - the tech just makes them simpler.

**PAT303** · 29th October 2015, 09:18 PM

Core skills aren't important,the reason automatic vehicles are taking over fitted with ABS,ESC,ETC,anti swerve,anti lane change,emergency brakes,radars,camera's,25 air bags ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.I seriously don't know how we survived back in the day when we had no choice but to operate the steering wheel and brakes as well as change gears manually,all while watching the road at the same time.

. Pat

**Melbourne Park** · 30th October 2015, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tombie

You keep saying you DO need them Doug! That's the whole point... You continue to claim that without them the vehicles are too difficult to drive/park.
I have managed to hitch my van, boat, trailers for 4 years without all these gadgets (low end screen) without issue by knowing where the vehicles extremities are.
My last Disco had a camera - yes it was handy - but I could function without it.

Core skills are important - after that the tech just makes it easy... I still need to know how to do these tasks manually - the tech just makes them simpler.

You are simply being argumentative Graeme and debating me! And being IMO a bit intellectually dishonest!! And in my defence, the 1997 Prado I've had since 1997 doesn't have any of that tech, and its been untouched by me. So obviously I can drive such a vehicle for 18 years and not get a touch. And I've also driven an 10 tonne truck a fair bit at one time, but they are a lot smaller than that big thing of yours.

I certainly did want them in the 200 though. It's only recently that Toyota have provided a camera in the rear of even their costly GXL 200 series.

And - you are arguing IMO that the tech is not helpful. That its causing more dings. If you reverse park a 200 that has a tow tongue - the reverse camera shows the bottom of the tow tongue. That means you can reverse right up to the vehicle behind your's - with about 1" of parallax error. So one can go right up to the vehicle behind, and not touch it. I'd rather see than believe reverse beepers too.

Let me illustrate. In Melbourne, we park in the street, front to back. There are allocated car spaces, and a 200 barely fits. So, to get out (and in), you need to know where the car behind is, because it gives you more room to swing out, and avoid the car in front. Which if you touched it, is just the sort of damage that you say is more common now. That likely happens, because people are not going back far enough. And also, because people are lazy and want to get out in two moves.

If you say you can get that close to the car behind by knowing the vehicle's dimensions, and being a better driver - then you should have been an F1 driver. I just don't buy that.

And with a 200 series, a VX costs after a great discount (not the latest new revised motor version just out) about 91-92K on the road. And you get a reversing camera - but no guidelines. You have to buy a Sahara to get guidelines, and a Sahara's cheapest price is $113k. It would cost Toyota nothing to put the guideline software into all the 200s with reverse cameras. But they choose not to.

Now, LR don't have that attitude. If you buy a Disco with a reverse camera, then you get all the guideline software, in the base model. And their reverse camera even crops in for very accurate reverse trailer parking.

And Graeme - you are close to a professional driver. I am quite coordinated and fast around a track, but I am not young now. Reactions slow down, and I have to slow myself down somewhat. I find the guidelines simply illustrate where the vehicle will go, without me having to consider where the rear wheel will be when I swing. It also shows where the unseen rear will go, although the way I park, that is not important, but its still nice to know. It gives me more time to look around. Its a safety issue and a time saver.

My son had an accident in a car park - a Chinese lady drove into his IS250 Lexus (he is paying me off for it). She got confused with the reversing camera, and blamed it but she drove forwards into my son's car. The camera view confused her. My son happened to be there ... so I can understand your reticence about such technology.

But IMO such technology is very good, and in a 200, which IMO has poor rear visibility, and poor sideway three quarter visibility - all the aids one can get are usefull, if you understand their limitations and strengths. They certainly don't make up for bad drivers though.

And the dings you say on the front corners that are more common - they must surely simply be due to bad drivers, and perhaps, tighter car parking spaces, and people in a hurry or more distracted than they should be. People not reversing back enough, before they drive out of a spot, and hence hitting the front left side of their vehicle on the way out? Difficult to do though in my Disco - the warning beepers sound if I get close to the front corners. I think one day most cars will have 360 camera views. They are great actually, you could be within 1" of a parked car without any risk of touching it.

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