Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

But they make the mistake of thinking these facts make it better than a D4 (or D3), because most of them have no idea of how the D4 technology makes many of these facts redundant

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Depends how you look at it. Another way is D4 traction control makes up for its road bias handicaps. It can continue to push on by selectively hammering at the brake pads but would be much better suited to a life offroad if it had all the advantages and off road considerations found in the defender .

Is the latest puma TC no good?

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

.... Edd Colby is the British Defender off-road champion. ... Last August he and I were out for 2 days in a D4. The second day things started to get hairy, .... Edd was on the CB telling all his instructors where we'd just taken the D4....

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What wheels and tyres were on the D4 Gordon?

Regards,
Scott

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

I'm not sure how practical that example is even for most Deefer owners. It's also certainly not something most owners have to do that regularly. And besides, you get arrested in this country for doing that. Oh, btw .... I didn't think you had to open the doors in a Deefer for it to flood .... LOL ;)

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Someone I know too well found near 3000kg of Defender bloody well floats :eek:

Yes, it was stupid, a small mountain river in flood, 'They' had just driven 50km to a job and weren't going to turn around without at least attempting to get into the farm.
It scared the begeezus out of 'them', they had to do it twice and don't think they got any water inside, but they were more concerned with getting through and up the bank without being swept away !

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Originally Posted by LRD414

What wheels and tyres were on the D4 Gordon?

Regards,
Scott

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Standard 19" rims and Pirellis.

Cheers,

Gordon

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Originally Posted by manic

Depends how you look at it. Another way is D4 traction control makes up for its road bias handicaps. It can continue to push on by selectively hammering at the brake pads but would be much better suited to a life offroad if it had all the advantages and off road considerations found in the defender .

Is the latest puma TC no good?

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Of course it is! You are simply twisting the question (and argument) - no one has EVER (in this thread) said the Defender Puma is no good.

And any perceived ABS issues you want to bring up apply just as much to the Defender as they do to the D4. The stock ones all the way back to the TD5s have traction control.

Cheers,

Gordon

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Originally Posted by gghaggis

Of course it is! You are simply twisting the question (and argument) - no one has EVER (in this thread) said the Defender Puma is no good.

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Thats not what i was getting at. Was a genuine question, is TC on the latest puma 2.2 improved? I know td5 traction control was a little unrefined/rubbish compared to d3, so wondering if the latest puma with TC and dsc is now running a system as effective as on the D4.

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Originally Posted by manic

Thats not what i was getting at. Was a genuine question, is TC on the latest puma 2.2 improved? I know td5 traction control was a little unrefined compared to d3, so wondering if the latest puma with TC and dsc is now running a system as effective as on the D4.

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No,doesn't seem to be as effective as the D4.

I am sure Gordon will be back to explain exactly.:D

That's why the disco needs the "ridiculous" 19 inch wheels - BIG brakes make the traction control work in a more refined way

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Originally Posted by scarry

No,doesn't seem to be as effective as the D4.

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Would be good to see some test results. Who here just got a 2.2 and wants to properly test it on a d4 - get out there and video it! Or better still if u around Melbourne I'll come with.

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Originally Posted by scarry

No,doesn't seem to be as effective as the D4.

I am sure Gordon will be back to explain exactly.:D

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The linked video of the 90 on the rock climb proves its not as effective,unless the driver forgot to press the "rock crawl" program:wasntme::wasntme::wasntme:.Didnt see smoke poring off the D3 or RRS wheels on the same climb;);););)
Andrew