Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

Originally Posted by 1nando

What you blokes dont know about diesel engines and whats required in a working vehicle (which a defender is, ever since its inception) is quiet funny. Ignorance is bliss. .......
My opinion of D4 owners has sunk to about the same as landcruiser owners......just saying

How many Pumas do you seriously think are working vehicles in this country? I would say less than 25%, the rest are owned by hipsters simply because they look cool. That is why normal people buy modern Defenders...

The Td5 was a better workhorse engine, the Tdi was even better.

On the contrary, at least 2/3 of the Land Cruiser 70 series out there, are work vehicles. Big torquey V8 is fantastic in a work vehicle...!

The times have changed with regard to what is the best work vehicle, it is no longer 1948... Just as Jeeps are no longer used as work vehicles.

Originally Posted by MR LR

How many Pumas do you seriously think are working vehicles in this country? I would say less than 25%, the rest are owned by hipsters simply because they look cool. That is why normal people buy modern Defenders...

The Td5 was a better workhorse engine, the Tdi was even better.

On the contrary, at least 2/3 of the Land Cruiser 70 series out there, are work vehicles. Big torquey V8 is fantastic in a work vehicle...!

The times have changed with regard to what is the best work vehicle, it is no longer 1948... Just as Jeeps are no longer used as work vehicles.

Ouch my Puma 130 works hard

Originally Posted by MR LR

How many Pumas do you seriously think are working vehicles in this country? I would say less than 25%, the rest are owned by hipsters simply because they look cool. That is why normal people buy modern Defenders...

The Td5 was a better workhorse engine, the Tdi was even better.

On the contrary, at least 2/3 of the Land Cruiser 70 series out there, are work vehicles. Big torquey V8 is fantastic in a work vehicle...!

The times have changed with regard to what is the best work vehicle, it is no longer 1948... Just as Jeeps are no longer used as work vehicles.

You've just proven you know absolutely nothing about diesels engines and how they fit into a working vehicle. Nothing! You must be refering to the v8 anchor in the toyota??? The one with excellent inefficiency and poor performance pound for pound.......yeah mate great motor. Thats why they use v8 diesels in 3 and 5 ton trucks cause their the bees knees.....whoops forgot they are all 4 cylinder deisel turbo in tipper trucks. Go have another latte and do some reading....when you understand the principles of a working vehicle pm me and ill let you test drive one of our trucks. You'll get it then

For those that think here we go again...try to get it a defender was created since its launch in 1948 as a working vehicle, it is designed to chug along all day every day just like trucks are. Thats why these vehicles have such a great life span. This is fundamental to 4wding because 4wding is tough on a vehicle.

Your toyota coment is more thank likely true, however the puma is a working vehcile whether its used as one is up to the owner! Your d4 makes more power and torque than all our Hino and Isuzu tippers.......Isuzu should have used the d4 as their truck platform?

As for capabilty, it comes from whether or not something is fit for purpose. The puma like any vehicle has its flaws, just like the d4. I would bet that if you were to take a puma and a d4 from the showroom and drive them striaght into a 5 day 4wd weekend trip that the d4 would come back wounded more so than the defender. The defender is designed for it, its why its been used by miliatrys around the world etc. The principles of it being a tough solid unit stem from its working vehicle design principles.....
It took me about 8 posts to get that out the way i wanted too...

This thread is great. I am restraining myself...feels liberating.

Cheers

Originally Posted by MR LR

How many Pumas do you seriously think are working vehicles in this country? I would say less than 25%, the rest are owned by hipsters simply because they look cool. That is why normal people buy modern Defenders...

The Td5 was a better workhorse engine, the Tdi was even better.

That 25% figure smells of arse. Worthless rubbish.

One minute they are all high sock, sandle wearing Normans and the next they are 75% trend setting hipsters.

Defenders look cool? What do discos look like?

Ooo im about to sound out some statistics from my own ass trumpet.

5% of discovery drivers use them offroad.

70% of disco drivers were not allowed to get a defender because of wife/kids.

100% of kids in a disco want to have a dad with a defender.

15% of disco drivers cant tie up their shoe laces and think laces are redundant because Velcro is a newer technology.

Originally Posted by manic

That 25% figure smells of arse. Worthless rubbish.

One minute they are all high sock, sandle wearing Normans and the next they are 75% trend setting hipsters.

Defenders look cool? What do discos look like?

Ooo im about to sound out some statistics from my own ass trumpet.

5% of discovery drivers use them offroad.

70% of disco drivers were not allowed to get a defender because of wife/kids.

100% of kids in a disco want to have a dad with a defender.

15% of disco drivers cant tie up their shoe laces and think laces are redundant because Velcro is a newer technology.

Lol....lol....i love it. Well done sir...i reckon those stats are pretty spot on.....

That was a good laugh :thumbup:

Originally Posted by manic

loving the comedy coming out in this thread!! I'll answer below in relation to my RRS, not a Disco I know.....

5% of discovery drivers use them offroad. Guess my RRS is in this 5%

70% of disco drivers were not allowed to get a defender because of wife/kids. Yeah, they like to be safe while towing Defenders out of trouble

100% of kids in a disco want to have a dad with a defender. Well my kids, grown up though, wanted me to quit the Defender and get the sport - they love the power, comfort and safety. To quote one 'glad you are in a safe 4WD now Dad'

15% of disco drivers cant tie up their shoe laces and think laces are redundant because Velcro is a newer technology.

I wear thongs......

Originally Posted by 1nando

You've just proven you know absolutely nothing about diesels engines and how they fit into a working vehicle. Nothing! You must be refering to the v8 anchor in the toyota??? The one with excellent inefficiency and poor performance pound for pound.......yeah mate great motor. Thats why they use v8 diesels in 3 and 5 ton trucks cause their the bees knees.....whoops forgot they are all 4 cylinder deisel turbo in tipper trucks. Go have another latte and do some reading....when you understand the principles of a working vehicle pm me and ill let you test drive one of our trucks. You'll get it then

For those that think here we go again...try to get it a defender was created since its launch in 1948 as a working vehicle, it is designed to chug along all day every day just like trucks are. Thats why these vehicles have such a great life span. This is fundamental to 4wding because 4wding is tough on a vehicle.

Your toyota coment is more thank likely true, however the puma is a working vehcile whether its used as one is up to the owner! Your d4 makes more power and torque than all our Hino and Isuzu tippers.......Isuzu should have used the d4 as their truck platform?

As for capabilty, it comes from whether or not something is fit for purpose. The puma like any vehicle has its flaws, just like the d4. I would bet that if you were to take a puma and a d4 from the showroom and drive them striaght into a 5 day 4wd weekend trip that the d4 would come back wounded more so than the defender. The defender is designed for it, its why its been used by miliatrys around the world etc. The principles of it being a tough solid unit stem from its working vehicle design principles.....
It took me about 8 posts to get that out the way i wanted too...

I guess we have very different definitions of a working vehicle...

My background is in farming, there's a reason we pick big diesels over little ones.

I bet my stat's are not far off the money at all... But what would I know about Land Rover owner demographic

What is a Latte?